Rick Roberts

Thanks John

We are, it's gone. We've lost that fight. But it's important we learn from it. Understand what's happened. Maybe even balance things up.

Yep, i'm guess i'm trying to point out the agendas and contortions involved. The goal was always to get us in trouble, by any means possible, and less with how that's achieved or any double-standards. Ultimately, we have to be smart and wisen up. This one's always going to be a loaded gun. No doubt they'll invent new and imaginative ways to catch us out in the future.

Yep, it's a lot less subtle than the Alfie or Roofes incidents.

Havent seen it covered anywhere, apologises if it has. Feel its important to catalogue the Turnbull kick against Aberdeen. A quick scan showed the BBC report and match text hadn't mentioned it. Twitter suggests Clyde FM, unsurprisingly, are pretending it never happened. For me, this has to be the kind of incident that Rangers somehow have to force the issue over. Make it the news, make the CO system work. It's grubby work, but just ignoring means we can just expect more inconsistency again next season.

This is the crowd-funded documentary that covers much that other TV and news hasn't. Some brave stuff from the Grays and Gordon Woods. Please watch, like and share to increase exposure.

I cant disagree. Just so frustrated this has continued. A question for yourself @Bluedelland the forum. Does anyone know how much the CO or contract lawyers at the SFA get paid? Is it in their accounts?

I agree with the politics stuff. But there's something different this time too. We saw last year that Doncaster and co were going nowhere even when caught bang to rights. Even look at the Salmond enquiry, there's a new variant of shamelessness going around. I initially thought that this would be a last hurrah from them, but i'm not so sure now. Looking at the Rangers board, they really should've fronted up to this 2 or 3 years ago.

Here's Adam's tactical article for the first two seasons. A brilliant level of insight and detail. Enjoy!

https://the4thofficial.net/2021/01/steven-gerrard-the-man-who-took-on-the-impossible-job-at-rangers-part-1/ Here's Kenny's article. Well worth a read ?

Absolutely. The Gerrard factor is incredible. And the old timers coming back for the fight, of course. Even though it didn't happen for players like Ejaria and Ojo, they still had moments or goals that helped the club.

Hopefully the spring and summer will be a time to totally immerse ourselves in Rangers and Gerrard. The more moments and memories from everyone the better. ?

Thanks for the feedback guys ? I'd thoroughly recommend watching back some of the highlights from the early games. The euro stuff is really enjoyable/interesting, knowing what we now know. Also, if anyone can use or recommend any easy editing software or has any hints then let me know? I'd love to see some of the highlights set to music - especially with Kent's celebration ?

That's my thinking, there's plenty of kindred spirits in London for them. They may not be fully aware what they're signing up for but are happy with what they've been told. My mind goes back to CW2014 where many were wined and dined a la celtic. These impressions matter and last.

Crooks and chancers everywhere

Does anyone know how club1872s % would look if the £13m was invested in a separate share issue? Also, what's club1872s model, £1300 for each of 10,000 members?

Daft question. What if club1872 don't raise all of the money? As a fan of club1872 my questions would be more for them going forward (most of it covered in other posts). Guarantees/transparency etc has to be addressed. They'll need to admit and own what has went wrong in the past. Some of their work (confronting papers and BBC) has been fantastic. But it's been erratic and they've disappeared completely for huge periods of time. A consistent, reliable, transparent defender of the club and support is what I'd expect from them in return for any investment.

SSB mentioning a successor. ?

I notice he calls it revenue and total income at the same time? Is it in the total income number?

He had some info on earlier in the year that's worth a look. If you follow the thread its got player sales / broadcasting etc. £20m extra from CL, and £25m from Teirney. Take that away and it's back to Delia levels - with bigger wages.

Thanks for posting @ian1964 A lot of this is stuff I've covered before on Gersnet but felt that it was worth repeating. I still find the hysteria around EBTs laughable. Especially with so much skullduggery going on elsewhere.

Was just thinking this. In many aspects off-the-pitch, we're quite a away off where we should be. It might be that once we crack one stronghold then others will fall shortly after, equally it might not.

I'm not sure at this stage. I'd hate us to experiment too much AND keep losing, only to watch celtic drop points and think what could've been. Once the league is mathematically gone, absolutely. Not that they don't deserve dropped, just that their nature is that they might turn up in the next game and are part of the strongest 11. Agree with the rest, we do need to find out weaknesses this season and work out how to eradicate them. By whatever method necessary.

We're coming down the road was the one I had in mind, it lends itself well to "we're supporters of the RFC" for example. Even something like Build my Gallows, i love it but "I'm a loyal Rangers man" might resonant more. I don't want to dilute everything or lose any edge. And i certainly don't want to give everything the Andy Cameron treatment. There's just certain songs that could benefit. And making things about Rangers is a good habit if we're to wean folk away from add-ons etc.

It's not problematic, and it's not FTP chants or TBB. But it does hand away high ground over their IRA stuff. I guess what i'm getting at is a mindset - a push to see all songs given a Rangers verse and that be the one driven from the singing section.