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I prefer the sound of that. We can't repeat the mistake of looking for keepers and defenders "who can pass". On our budget that means you're half decent on the ball but mediocre at defending. I think it's achieveable for us to try and emulate a squad more similar to the Walter's team in 2008 or Martin O Neill's in 2003 who both massively over-achieved in Europe. Brenda's sides are good in Scotland but woeful in Europe because they can't defend. It's very hard to emulate Barcelona's style and be any good on our budget, but it's not that hard to build a team that's strong and physical whilst still having pace and dynamism going forward.

That's a good point. There must be plenty of assistant's out there who are more than ready to become a no 1. It's a way of getting value without sacrificing experience. I'm still unsure what this actually means. I thought Warburton was the epitome of this. What defines being a "modern" manager? It seems to me it's more about playing a possession based style than anything else. I think on our budget it's far easier to be competitive with Celtic and in Europe with a more traditional system with more emphasis on the physical side of the game.

Only at the beginning. If things were to go badly he would lose the respect of the dressing room quickly because of his lack of experience.

Yesterday's drubbing could work in the club's favour for next season. From the board's point of view, they're now in a position where they really need to commit to spending good money for next season to appease the fans. From an incoming manager's point of view, it's still not an attracive job but the club has hit rock bottom and a new manager has an ideal opportunity to overhaul the squad and be credited with a turnaround now.

Exactly. In terms of generating revenue we need a run in Europe but a big part of generating revenue going forward needs to be selling players. The investment for that needs to be in scouting and the club claim that has been done so we'll see. But we need to be picking up highly rated teenagers from all over the world every season, developing them and selling them on.

Celtic moaned all the way through their European embarassment about how they didn't have the finance to compete and the pundits played along as they embarrassed Scotland again with thrashing after thrashing. The fact is Celtic's total revenue last season was about 16% of Bayern's and 18% of PSGs. Our revenue last season was about 17.7% of Celtic's. It's all about the money. Significant investment for next season would be great, but we need a sustainable solution. We need a run in Europe next season badly.

Celtic destroyed us in the semi, sticking with their formation was exactly what they needed to do because it worked. We're the ones who needed to seriously re-assess how we set up and make some serious changes, and use the element of surprise to our advantage.

This is what I was labouring on here before the game, we had to change formation after the 4-0 and give Celtic something to think about. Going out with the same formation with no noticeable tactical changes was absolutely unforgiveable. Above all yesterday was a tactical catasophre. I'm not one of the ones calling for a complete clearout. Assuming we somehow find £10m to spend, I still think we're 3/4 big signings and a good manager away from running them close next season. Two tall and strong quality centre backs. We seem to be seriously lacking a midfielder who can tackle! (if Jordan Rossiter could stay fit for 5 minutes...) A top quality skillful flair player to take over from Windass would be another priority for me (James McArthur is apparently staying with Palace)

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It seems to be initially but since there have been whispers here and there that there’s something to it. Tony Cascarino has said “he’s been told that he’s very excited about it”. Also I’m sceptical about the report that McAllister won’t be he number 2, he was asked directly about and said he “had nothing to say about that just now”. Would have been easier to just say it wasn’t true move on.

Regarding the 4 years, it depends on personal fitness and what wage he’s on. If he’s on a top wage then it sounds irresponsible. However it largely depends on how fit he is, Davis has managed to keep a starting place at Southampton to 33. Given Arfield’s track record of playing almost every game of the season almost every year i’m not worried about him playing here into his thirties.

No not that blatant but it didn’t need to be. The incentive to win was removed and it’s impossible for that not to affect performance and it was no shock that it did, it was the most predictable result of the season.

I'm a huge fan of fast players and I think we've under-utilised them over the years. And as you say it's all about creating a system where their strengths are made very prominent in the game and their weaknesses mitigated. Man City are brilliant at getting the most out of Sterling's pace with the balls in behind. Spurs were great at getting the most of Aaron Lennon's pace too. And Neil Lennon has made Martin Boyle look very good in that Hibs team, whereas he would look bang average for us.

Despite all the pundits waxing lyrical about Hibs last weekend, none of them seemed to mention that Celtic had every incentive to lose the game. It's a scandal that the SFA put Celtic in a position where they had a very strong incentive to lose to Hibs one week and win against Rangers the next, giving Hibs a huge advantage in the fight for 2nd. This is a far bigger scandal than the fact alone that they allowed the title to be won in an old firm match.

I actually think O'Hallaron is a great player to have on a bench because he will always offer something very different to what you have. and offers a genuine threat in his pace which Herrera/Miller don't really have. However bizarrely after getting on the pitch last week he's not even in the provisional squad this time!

Well the benefit of a surprise change in formation is that we've had a week (or at least a few days) being drilled in this formation whilst they've had zero preparation. The advantage of the diamond over a 3-5-2 is that we've played it a few times already too.

All true. I do quite like the idea of a diamond due to how vulnerable they would be to pressing given they aren't playing with full backs. I wouldn't like to sacrifice Murphy but could play the Windass role quite comfortably. You'd want Docherty and Dorrans (or Holt for energy) behind and McCorie holding midfield. I think that's a pretty solid team.

I suspect you're right, but I have to wonder how wise that is after losing 4-0 with it. The element of surprise is huge in football and a change in formation can work a treat. Celtic will be preparing to play us in 4-2-3-1 and will be very comfortable with how they plan to play against it. If we come out in a 3-5-2 or a 4-1-2-1-2, the sacrifice of a player who'd normally start would likely be more than cancelled out by the advantage gained by the surprise. An example of this is perhaps the shock 3-0 win over Aberdeen when Murty first whipped out the diamond.

Yeh looks like an informal question was asked in private and Clarke has done the right thing and given his answer privately whilst publicly asserting the fact that there has been no approach from the club.

I do wonder how we'd do with a 3-5-2 like below. McCrorie could be moved into midfield of course, you could play John on the left to be more conservative and Murphy could go up front or in a central position in front of the midfied. I think we would be more dangerous on the counter with two up front too helping each other out and playing one twos with each other, making runs in behind and giving their back 3 no time at all to pass around and settle the play for Celtic. Alnwick Tavernier - McCrorie - Alves Candeias - Docherty - Dorrans - Holt - Murphy Cummings - Morelos

It’s not an attractive job. It would become more attractive if we were able to pull off the signing of a player like James McArthur though. That’s the one I really hope comes off, we need favours from fans like him (as with Murphy and Dorrans) to turn things around.

Apparently we've been snubbed by Steve Clarke. Have to say I'm a little relieved we went for him first, and that takes away a little bit of the guilt in gambling on Gerrard I think we're all in groundhog day mode by now and though and no matter who we appoint we'll lose to St Johnstone at home in September and all the chat from the pundits will be "why didn't they go for Tommy Wright"

Interesting that he's been described a boyhood Rangers fan! This isn't what people on here thought. Ahead of the friendly a couple of years ago he'd mentioned "family Rangers connections" but someone in the forum had said a friend of a friend knew his brother and he was Celtic mad. If true that means we could 7 Rangers fans in midfield, 8 if we sign McArthur. Murphy Docherty Dorrans Jack McCrorie Halliday Arfield

Evening Times report Neil Camerons says, "I spoke to someone close to Gerrard today who said “no chance” when asked whether this was a goer." That's the most believeable thing I've read on the matter. He'd have to be a wee bit crazy to leave a perfect learning environment and jump right into the deep end at Rangers.

It just occurred to me that if Gerrard came, we would suddenly have a huge ally in Liverpool and would have a great chance at getting some quality loan players we would never otherwise have got near. Everybody at Liverpool would be rooting for him, he knows their youth players very well and they would be very keen to play for him. On our budget this could be the difference between a title winning team and a distant second place.