Soulsonic5791

Thanks for that George. Only ten years too late.

1 hour ago, buster. said:

Soulsonic,....I think some want a solution and are 'prepared to bargain', somewhat.

 

FWIW I think what is the vast majority slant of negative opinion regards BBC Scotland amongst the Rangers support would be seen as stronger if we don't insist on groupthink.

 

Opinions vary, debate is good but the body of evidence that this thread alone provides, is very difficult to argue with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough mate. That's your take on it.

As an aside, McLaughlin's access privileges were revoked because the club believed, rightly in my opinion, that he intentionally abused his position to propagate unsubstantiated untruths about Rangers supporters and their alleged behaviour. He then proceeded to tie himself in knots on social media when trying to justify his language and referral to sources. He was caught out, not for the first time, and his inaccuracies were rightly pointed out publicly by the club who were at pains to point out that previous attempts at conciliation regarding his professional behaviour had taken place with his employer and had subsequently proved to be fruitless. BBC Scotland then took the decision to stand squarely behind his report and refuted the club's claims, (for report read 'story') thereby adopting the organisational stance which has resolutely remained unchanged until present.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see what benefit 'bargaining' if that's the correct term, will do when trying to curb this sort of thing. Obviously, litigating for defamation is probably a non-starter for a multitude of reasons but that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't fight your corner in other ways.

There are some keen minds within Rangers and they have played the long game on this one. And, despite people having issues with how certain actors might or might not have adversely impacted on our situation to our own disadvantage, backing down when you are in the right does little for you in the long run if you ask me.

Ok gents, just to clarify, I was speaking in general terms. I detect among the Rangers online community (not confined to Gersnet or other forums btw) the odd departure from conventional wisdom re the BBC and its interaction with the club. Although small in number, the occurrences appear to be on the rise.

From my point of view there is an insistence in some quarters, and I'm not accusing any one individual here, that the BBC should stand apart from reasoned criticism simply because we have been historically conditioned to regard it as a paragon of journalistic virtue. Ergo, BBC Scotland Sport and its agenda is merely thought of as a parochial aberration and that the proclaimed ethics of the corporation as a whole be factored in to any reasoned analysis of said department's output.

I'm not imagining this. If you look, you'll find it. 

And furthermore, in the interests of context, I can appreciate that in some cases the tone of forum posts can be misinterpreted. I'm not in the business of intentionally offending anyone, least of all, on here.

6 minutes ago, 26th of foot said:

Fifteen years past, Beeb Scotland did a series of Biographies on their main presenters, thirty minutes of what motivated, stimulated, and inspired them to become national broadcasting anchors. Big Dick was one such, his bio' opened with, "I was raised to hate Rangers, absolutely". This privately educated schoolboy had been extremely embarrassed some dozen years before, when he donned the Rangers club blazer and tie to a number of the official club videos during nine-in-a-row. He was suffering grief from his fellow Dandy Dons and he was intent on using the presented opportunity to establish his real credentials. Now, Big Dick had taken the monies offered and no doubt turned in a professional performance. Instead of standing up to his numerous hometown detractors, he went all 'Northern Light' and espoused hatred. Last season, he was reduced to reading out a list of incidents involving Rangers players that might interest the Compliance Officer.

 

On Saturday, Tam Cowan wondered aloud at one point, just after Big Dick had been on Off/On the Ball after One O'Clock to promote Sportsound coming up in an hour, "Aberdenn have issued a very good statement, who's writing it"? Surely, Big Dick cannot be moonlighting as Aberdeen's PR? We should be told, particularly after all the on air grief Jim Traynor suffered after leaving the Beeb? Of course, Jum Spence did the very same for his beloved United, any number of them continually vie to do it furra Sellik, .......... etc.

 

Here's the thing, imagine a license fee paying Bear went on Beeb Scotland and began, "I was raised to hate Richard Gordon, absolutely"? Nah, we are better than that. Listen to them carefully during this three year abdication of their responsibilities to us, and point out their continual massive lapses in professionalism. 

This is it mate.

Compile the dossier and continue to do so. When appropriate call them out with unequivocal evidence of their wrongdoing.

We are better than them but making excuses for them in a vain effort to be balanced is a no no.

P.S. I'm not accusing you of doing such a thing btw.

You can be objective and not succumb to apology mate. In fact, resorting to apology actually devalues your objectivity.

Edit.

N.B. In response to Buster's comments not 26th's.

Not accusing you of this per se Buster, but an apologist is just that: an apologist.

Ten out of ten Joe. Go to the top of the class.

Can I ask a genuine question of the forum community please?

Why are so many of us in the rush to be even handed and purposefully objective, actually becoming apologists for a shamefully biased regional sports department of the national broadcaster? Look at the still on their website for the embedded highlights for our game at the weekend - Morelos pushing a Dundee player.

The BBC shouldn't be placed on a sanitised pedestal whether it is covering sport, entertainment, politics, wars, or anything else for that matter.

Dear old Auntie eh?

Pffft!

37 minutes ago, MacK1950 said:

Bloody hell man we have only just got these guys and you want replacements identified.Fair enough after one or two full seasons BUT NOW????

You can be certain that Andy Scoulding will be on the look out for potential replacements for all our saleable assets. That's why the structure of the club was organised in the manner that it has been in the first place.

The footballing department looks to be in as good a shape as it has in a long, long time. This isn't a case of chequebook managers buying good to excellent ready made players a la Smith and Advocaat. This is proper business modelling from a footballing perspective. It's joined up thinking. 

They tried to do it on the cheap with Warburton and it backfired badly. Caixinha was an inexplicable case of bullshit baffles brains. Third time round, the board have dispensed with the cheaper option approach and look to have sorted it out. To think of the good money frittered away on the likes of Rob Kiernan and Harry Forrester...jesus!

I'll be utterly astounded if Gerrard, Allen et al don't deliver.

Kevin Clancy and his assistants (this time, Sean Carr) are invariably incompetent. His handling of the game yesterday ruined it for players and fans alike.

Behold...

Please don't take this the wrong way but Alasdair isn't connected to the BBC is he?

9 hours ago, The Moonlighter said:

The Founders Trail Roadshow is heading for Busby!

 

It will be an honour for us to present the Founders Story at Busby Masonic on Saturday 6^th October at 7pm.

 

The Hall is at: 2 Hawthorn Road Busby G76 83H.

Tickets are £10 and all details are on the attached poster.

 

The evening will also provide an insight into The Rangers Graves Restoration Project and The Founders Trail.
 

We hope to see a few of you along.

Do you have to be in The Craft to get in?

4 minutes ago, Rick Roberts said:

tbf Jackie Bird did ask if there were any strings attached. He said No. So its all kosher. Stand down everyone. ?

Aye.

But is that the same as asking why the SFA needed the money? Haughey and Maxwell have confirmed that the altruistic donation is going to the SFA and not Queen's Park.

Why?

1 hour ago, Rick Roberts said:

Anyone catch the Reporting Scotland report on the Hampden decision?

 

McLaughlin at his self-indulgent worst. Haughey painted as saviour, obviously. Tom Hunter fronting half the money. Glasgow is the centre of Scottish football, spiritual home blah blah.

 

Bit that stood out was on Hampden memories. Sound of commentary from Griffiths free kicks vs England. Fair enough. Only the pictures that accompanied it were stills of Griffiths. Fair enough. Then Tierney. Then Brown. 

 

Maybe i'm looking into these things too much these days, but that's some selective editing. I would say McLaughlin and his team are totally out of control. I hope they get slapped down soon and permanently. 

 

 

 

Of course, no one has asked why the SFA needed a gift of £2.5m. But hey that doesn't come into journalistic rigour these days at BBC PQ.

The Daily Mail ran a story with Haughey confirming that Tom Hunter is part of the deal. Ian Maxwell is asked by other journos if any other benefactor is involved, his answer: "no".

Hmmm...

You are spot on with McLaughlin et al Rick. Subliminal and supraliminal visual stimuli. All part of action priming by our national broadcasting service.

The word is that BBC regional staff in England want to interview Gerrard but PQ would view that as tantamount to crossing the picket line. Bun fights have ensued and are in the process of being subject to arbitration from Network in London.

I wonder what the middle ground will look like.

He's shown a degree of regret and contrition and he may have been badly advised by Willie Mackay but nevertheless, he committed a cardinal sin.

If he were to re-sign, I would never boo him.

However, he should never get back in my view. He knew full well what he was saying.

5 minutes ago, buster. said:

Social media has been a big factor in the general race to the political bottom of discourse.

There are more than a few undesirables masquerading as bottom feeders across the political spectrum Buster, but John Mason is a repeat offender and he is most definitely offensive in the extreme. He badly needs a dose of reality and a timely reminder that he cannot act without compunction.

I pity the poor people of Shettleston having this moron represent them.

3 hours ago, Bluedell said:

An SNP MSP suggesting that an Orange walk is a pro-terrorist walk.

 

When is someone with political authority, gravitas and respect going to take these arseholes to task? It is long overdue.

Unionist terrorists? The man is a complete and utter imbecile.

But wait, he's acting as an individual and doesn't represent the party as a whole. Isn't that right?

Step forward Nicola to reprimand him. And then I woke up and had my Millicano.

The O.O. Isn't exactly my cup of cha, but they've been more than slighted here. Difficult to get him on slander/libel/defamation but he deserves to be hauled over the coals for this.

8 hours ago, Soulsonic5791 said:

Saltires waved as 'England's green and pleasant land' rings round the hall.

 

 

2 hours ago, der Berliner said:

Which goes to show where the bigots and sectarians won't be seen. 

 

As for benchmarks of patriotism ... there are sure several ones but few are screened worldwide like the Last Nights.

I'd love to get the background on these flag wavers.

2 hours ago, forlanssister said:

 

He played wheelchair football for Clyde furfuxake.

 

The photo was lifted from his Facebook page.

Just mentioned it mate.

I gather you know him or know of him as his Clyde affilation isn't mentioned in the article?

I wasn't implying or insinuating anything.

Saltires waved as 'England's green and pleasant land' rings round the hall.

Anyone notice one of the photos in the Sun's report shows a guy with a Clyde top on?

3 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

By now the CO should have cited Yahoo FC for the lap of honour, as well as certain players for goading our support.

 

Likewise, the club should demand explanations and appologies from CFC stewards as well as the police for their failings.

 

We should not let this slip out of our hands as was the case with  the Cup Final of Shame.

All the best with the CO wish mate.

But your last two points, I concur with entirely.

2 minutes ago, aweebluesoandso said:

God forbid anything serious had happened to any our disabled brethren, but any inquiry would have to share the blame between our supporters stupid reaction, to the provocation of the celtic team unnecessary lap of (dis)honour

Agreed on God forbid anything happening to the members of the Fourwheel Loyal. But in any inquiry our fans would substantially take the blame (and I'm not condoning irresponsible behaviour here). The Celtic players would get a slap on the wrist.

The cops?

That's anyone's guess. Although I have my own theories on that count.

1 hour ago, BlackSocksRedTops said:

I don't think anyone comes out of this looking good tbh. Why the Celtic players were doing a lap of honour after a standard league game is baffling but we cannot react to scrotes like Brown and Griffiths (the obvious ring leaders here) like foaming mouth maddies that endangers the safety of fellow fans. That is not acceptable in any way at all. Just ignore them FFS.

Don't expect fans to ignore incitement mate. It's just not going to happen. The wheelchair fans have been collateral damage here and it is unfortunate that some fans have been irresponsible in not making sure that they are safe.

Brown and Griffiths are woodentops. You'd expect no less.

The main culprits here are the cops. Any senior policeman worth his salt would've instructed his officers to step in and prevent their players from rubbing the noses of our fans in it.

But as I've pointed out on other threads, the Poileas have an agenda.

If you ask me, it is very sinister.