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Its with a heavy heart that I have come to the decision that as long as David Murray is in control, or has anything to do with Rangers Football Club, I will not set one foot back into Ibrox. I have thought long and hard about this, and it is the worst decision that I have ever had to make. Starting from Saturday, I will station myself at the Main Door of Ibrox and will spend the 90 minutes protesting there against David Murray (if allowed by The Police) and will continue to do this until Murray fucks off and takes his lapdogs Bain & McIntyre with him. Cammy F- Disgruntled and Disloyal Loyal RSC Disclaimer ââ?¬â?? Cammy F reserves the right to change his mind on this subject come Saturday afternoon at around 2:45PMââ?¬Â¦

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~925997,00.html usual stuff :yawn:

Manager Paul Le Guen will leave Rangers of his own accord if results and performances do not improve by Christmas. (Daily Express) Rangers are considering a move to bring Scotland manager Walter Smith back to Ibrox if Paul Le Guen is sacked by Christmas. (The Sun) Im assuming both are nonsense as usual!!?

lads, was thinking of making and handing out bingo cards with all dm's bullshit on it, garnered from the site. feel free to add: Manager needs time Real supporters dont protest We will spend what we have Paiteince new manager We're lucky to have him I have Rangers interests at heart We're in this together The Rangers Family Can't win every game there's going to be a massive injection of money that will shock For every fiver..... manager will get significant funds Rangers must live within their budget. Do the fans want to go back to owing �£60,70,80 million Money has went into youth development and we're seeing the fruits already. hey never complained when I delivered 9-in-a-row investment to shock football to its foundations

When everything was going from bad to worse under Eck i quickly turned against him blaming no one but him and was very pleased to see him leave. However it is clear that the manager isnt the problem and that changing managers again wouldnt work. There is one reason why rangers are not doing the business this season and his name is David Murray. I use to be an avid Murray supporter, however in the current footballing climate of big spenders how does he expect to create a team capable of winning at home and abroad on 2 Million on transfer fees per season. I think if Murray isnt gonna put at least 8 to 10 million into the team come January not just to save our season and get a 2nd place finish but to build for the future he should sell up and leave now. The players also have to play to the best of their abilty every match and show that there worth the money and stop costing managers their jobs like the did with Eck. The players that arent capable of this should be showen the door in January starting with Letizi and Hutton.

MURRAY MUST SPEAK - TRUST The Rangers Supporters�´ Trust have called for David Murray to break his silence over the crisis engulfing the club. The Ibrox chairman has so far kept his counsel as their season plunges headlong into disaster. A disastrous start to Paul Le Guen�´s reign leaves Rangers trailing Celtic by 15 points in the league, and the CIS Insurance Cup exit at the hands of St Johnstone proved to be the final straw for some angry fans who gathered outside Ibrox calling for the heads of both the manager and chairman. RST spokesman Stephen Smith said: "The supporters are looking for leadership and someone to take responsibility. It�´s puzzling that a manager, whose second language is English, has been left to fend for himself. David Murray has so far been reluctant to step in but he has to be seen alongside his manager. The current state of affairs cannot continue." ---- Must say, I like Stephen Smith. A point well made, i think.

Remember last season when many on this forum were convinced that last seasons team was the worst ever Rangers team? I do simply because I disagreed with that notion as I could remember worse teams than last seasons. However, even this aging Bear is struggling to remember a worse lot that this. So, the question is to all those who said last season that it was the worst team they had seen ââ?¬â?? care to change your opinion? Cammy F

It sure as hell feels like it round here, FF and rangers fans in general. Can't believe some of you lot, love me or hate me i'm just telling it like it is. Can somebody please hand me a flame proof jacket?

PAUL LE GUEN has asked for unity among management, players and supporters after watching his side crash out of the CIS Cup tonight. Two goals from Steven Milne earned St Johnstone a 2-0 victory and in doing so consigned Rangers to their first ever home cup defeat to lower league opposition in their illustrious history. Le Guen admitted the First Division side deserved their win but asked for more time to get things right. He said: "I am very disappointed and I apologise to our supporters. We did well for 30 minutes and created many crosses and some chances. "After that though we lost our organisation and St Johnstone deserved their victory. "It's a difficult period but we must stick together. I will try to carry on. I am the manager and it is up to me to come up with a solution. "The only way to get through this is to stick together. I have lost many games before but this is one of the lowest."

im just back from the game and am astounded at the level at which paul leguen has dragged us down to. By far the most pityfull performance i have ever witnessed as a Rangers fan, which is really saying something considering i served my time in the John Greig era. Weve been on a slippery slope for a few weeks now but never in a million years did i think we would ever sink so low. we were absolute shit and made to look like a bunch of amatuers by a team further down the pecking order than Dundee Utd. A total disgrace and its just not bloody good eough. I really dont think leguen will make it to the end of the month, hes made too big a balls up of it, and after tonight he should know it himself. Theres absolutely nothing in our side to suggest they can turn it around.

Our local paper is running a Joe Harper story ripping the piss out of Rangers & asking the question, "will Rangers ever win the SPL again?" Oh & you can answer that question to ee.sport@ajl.co.uk

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~924605,00.html I can't decide whether to agree with it or get pissed off at the fact that it's trying to say the performances have been due to the atmosphere..

this guy is a rangers legend and it is going to be a minutes applause no way that is not right it should be a minutes silence

For the first time in a long time (well since the last time!) I won't be at Ibrox watching Rangers during a home game. There are many reasons for this but primarily its due to the fact that I am trying to get a ticket to see Rancid at The Barras Anyway, I can't say that I am bothered that I won't be going, and that is also a first. Normally, when I can't get to a game I am raging and will be viewing the web/TV/radio etc for score updates. Tomorrow, if I get a ticket for Rancid I won't bother looking for the score until after the gig, and even if I don't get a ticket, I'll probably not bother looking for score updates. OK, I am now ready for insuing 'part-time support', 'unloyal fan', 'glory-hunter' replies, feel free to take your best shot... Cammy F PS - I'll be in my usual place on Saturday tho...

Just when we thought that we had endured the ââ?¬Ë?season from hellââ?¬â?¢ and that things couldnââ?¬â?¢t get any worse, along comes ââ?¬Ë?season from hell IIââ?¬â?¢ and things are going from bad to worse with little or no sign of improvement on the domestic front. Another terrible performance and defeat at the hands of the worst DUFC team in living memory. That is 1 point we have managed to gain from them so far this seasonââ?¬Â¦. Our new manager came with a real pedigree and whilst some of the hype was a bit over the top, we all rightly thought that this was man to revitalise Rangers and lead us to domestic dominance and gain credibility on Europe. He may eventually achieve this, but this cold windy winters night, that possibility looks as far away as a long hot Scottish summer. The most galling aspect to ââ?¬Ë?season from hell IIââ?¬â?¢ is that PLG was given videos of our horror season and we all thought that once he studied them, he would identify our glaring weaknesses, identify players who would eradicate them and build on the few positives that AM left us. Well, instead of eradicating the mistakes, we are making the same mistakes as last season and compounding the situation by making even more elementary mistakes game after game. I am sitting here trying to put into more eloquent terms just how bad we are. However, I am at a loss for words, so will go with my gut-instinct and say that we are utter pish. Think that is a tad harsh? Well, we are currently only 3 points above 9th placed St Mirren. Yip, that is correct, we are 3 points away from being 9th in the SPfuckinL. Now, those of you who know me will know that I have said for a while that things are going to continue to get worse as long as Mr Murray, Mr Bain and Mr McIntyre continue to run, or is that ruin the club that we love. This is a view that I still hold, although it has be ridiculed by some of my Rangers supporting friends who still think the sun shines out of our esteemed Chairmanââ?¬â?¢s arse. I will reiterate that there will be no long term improvement until Murray and his associates are removed from our club. They have no interest / love for Rangers, they are in this for personal gain. There is no long-term goal, no long-term plans and no investment from them, so how are we supposed to improve both on and off the field? They do not care that we are targeted by the authorities whilst the real bigots are allowed free reign to sing their vile and repugnant songs, they do not care that we have no youth policy or that we are ââ?¬Ë?unattractiveââ?¬â?¢ to the youth of today (the future supporters that we need to survive). They only care about themselves. I read a great line either on FF messageboard or in the fanzine where the posters wrote ââ?¬â?? ââ?¬Ë?Everything I loved about Rangers is in the pastââ?¬â?¢. That sentiment is hard to argue with and sums up the current state of our once great institution. To make matters worse (if they could get any worse) we are light years behind our greatest rivals. Even though they were minutes from being closed down a few short years ago. Whoââ?¬â?¢s fault is that, step forward David Murray. All the fun, excitement, passion, camaraderie that went hand-in-hand with following Rangers has gone. We have been force-fed Murrayââ?¬â?¢s lies and down-grading speeches and accepted them. We need a vision and someone who is willing to see that through. That person is currently not on the board at Ibrox and until they are, we are in for a long, hard and sad time ahead. Cammy F

Paul Le Guen was relieved to report yesterday that his captain Barry Ferguson will be fit enough to lead out the team at Tannadice. He has a problem who to play in defence though with Papac available again. I would love to see Hemdani and Papac playing together as i am really impressed with Hemdani as a sort of sweeper. His building from the back is also exellent. I would like to see: _____________McGregor____________________ ____________Hemdani_______________________ Hutten__________Papac________________Smith ___________________Clement_____________________ Novo________________Fergie_______________Adam ___________Boyd___________________Prso_________

Last night the latest instalment of Boââ?¬â?¢ness True Blues annual dances which was once again a roaring success thanks to the continued hard work of The Captain Of The Ship (Davie) and TomP. Modesty stops me from praising the other committee member, but in reality, he doesnââ?¬â?¢t put as much in as the other two!!! We had a few dissenting voices this year, but you can not please all of the people, all of the time and I am convinced that the majority of those in attendance had a fantastic time. Also, I am convinced that those who moaned wouldnââ?¬â?¢t for a minute think about running the club, organise events and get the hassle that the aforementioned committee get. Thanks to the committee and staff of the Grangemouth Rangers Supporters Club for hosting our annual event for the 2nd consecutive year. Thanks also to Pride Of The Grange Flute Band, the caterers, the band and the disco for providing some fine entertainment. Hats of to Jim Hannah and young Ross Perry for attending the dance and as per being a credit to themselves and Rangers FC. Lastly, thanks to the owners and staff of The Cross Keys pub in Boââ?¬â?¢ness for putting up with us this seasonââ?¬Â¦. Whilst arranging a few raffle prizes for our dance, the Captain Of The Ship was in The Argyle Suit to pick up some signed tops. When he arrived, he saw Chris Burke and Stefan Klos. Not being one to miss an opportunity, The Captain decided to approach them and ask if they would accept an invitation to the dance. Once he had the signed tops, The Captain noticed that Mr Burke was involved with some entertaining and was busy, however, Mr Klos was still standing around doing nothing. The Captain approached Mr Klos and extended an invitation to the dance. Mr Klos replied ââ?¬Ë?Sorry, I donââ?¬â?¢t understand Englishââ?¬â?¢ and stormed off. I presume Mr Klos understands enough English to cash his wages in every month tho. As I said above, hats off to Jim Hannah who has served out club well over the last few years in relation to getting players to attend our events. Recently, we have had Andy Goram, Colin Stein and Nacho Novo. This year, as our dance was over a ââ?¬Ë?game weekendââ?¬â?¢ we knew that we would be struggling to get a first team player. However, Jim managed to obtain a promising youngster in Ross Perry who was in attendance. He was polite, signed autographs etc and hopefully we will see him in the first team sooner rather than later. Cammy F

How can a season which had the potential to have so much end up like this in the space of a few months?. I am utterly scunnered supporting Rangers. I have lost all faith and I am really, really sad at what's happening to the club I love. Today is the final nail in the coffin in the SPL for us though it was probably on the verge of collapsing if we had one more defeat/draw. So who do we blame? In my opinion, the same as it was last season its the players. It's the same fucking shower of useless, gutless wankers who have no fight in them at all. We could have Jose Mourinho as manager but we would still be shite. Example, if Mourinho was the manager of East Fife do you think that they would win the SPL? Murray of course is to blame as well. As I said at the start of the season, he has bought a Ferrari as a manager but is leaving it to rot away in the garage without putting any petrol in it. Also, PLG. It pains me to say this because I thought he could change things. Some of the players he has brought in are pure and utter gash and he was totally underestimated the SPL. I have a lot more points on my mind that I wanted to post but I really can't be fucked typing out this thread any longer. Rant over.

I think Spurs can get something off Chelsea today and give Man Utd a clear lead at the top. West Ham finally got a win last week but they couldnt have asked for a worse fixture than Arsenal who are playing amazing. I think its an away win here unfortunatly! Villa v Blackburn has got draw written all over it. And of course a Gers victory at Tannadice. Spurs 1-1 Chelsea West Ham 1-2 Arsenal Villa 1-1 Blackburn Dundee Utd 0-2 Rangers

Ok, it's agreed, the team isn't good enough - but paradoxically most of the players are getting reasonable write ups at least every few games, they're mostly internationals or have played for big clubs and won stuff, so the question is, which ones are really not good enough? Letizi - He's played for years with PSG and so been around but he's not inspired much confidence, however he doesn't seem to have been too much at fault for most of the goals and he's not responsible for the inability to create chances and score against mediocre opposition. I think the main accusation is you could aim at him is that he doesn't save us in games. He doesn't pull of the top notch saves like Goram and Klos that keep the clean sheet that allows us to grind out that 1-0 win which is necessary to win titles. I personally don't think he's good enough and certainly worse than our other options. MacGregor - We'd all like to see him play in the first team but he's not quite proven himself yet. Can he step into Goram and Klos's shoes? Time will tell but he seems like one baby we shouldn't throw out with the bath water. We've no money and so could do worse than putting him in goal instead of Letizi. Klos - No-one can accuse Der Goalie of not being good enough. No-one. The guy is a class player and has proven himself time and again with Rangers. His last run in the team coincided with us losing about 7 goals in half a season. We don't know the true story here but the fact we're pay a guy who has saved us tons of points about 30 grand a week to do nothing, is to me, highly symptomatic of what is wrong at the club. Hutton - Showed early promise, it's rumoured he has a bad attitude and has not been the same since his injury. He's played better of late receiving a bit of praise, but his passing and crossing still leave a bit to be desired. Not the worst offender in the team but he is part of a defence that is leaking soft goals and doesn't seem to be the one who's getting the tackles in or shutting down the attacks from the right. In fact Novo had to cover for him in the against Motherwell. He's SPL standard but not quite Rangers standard except maybe as back up in a better first choice team. Bardsley - another one with an attitude problem and with his commitment only short term, I can understand why patience for him would be short lived. To me he doesn't seem to be any better than Hutton appart from the odd free kick. We really need a proper right back. Papac - An international who seems pretty solid and our defence has improved since his arrival. Quite willing to go forward too but maybe that's why we can get caught on the break. Still not cured our problem of dealing with cross balls. An improvement over other central defenders we've had recently but shows no signs of being a McLiesh, Butcher, Gough or even a Moore. Svensson - A young international who's had a terrible start to his Rangers career, although his freefalling reputation has been arrested by a good display in Italy. It's either get rid time for him or develop him for the future. Rodriguez - An experienced player who to me flatters to deceive. Seems to look solid in some games but we're losing goals almost every game and I can't remember many clean sheets this season. To me he's a mediocre player who could do a good job for the likes of Aberdeen, but not up to the job at Rangers. Smith - A young player who looks to have genuine talent, he's our best defender by far but I think would look even better in a decent team. Thrives on a good relationship and understanding with a talented left midfielder and looked better with Martin in the team. Seems to be one of the players committing to the game plan. Definitely a keeper. Burke - Brilliantly talented but so fragile that we only see him for glimpses. It's always so much more exciting when he gets a lot of the ball and he's also good at tracking back and helping out the defence. I think we'd have less problems if he was fully fit most of the time. Sionko - Looked like a young Kanchelskis in his first couple of games but from then looked like a Kanchelkis close to retirement. He's now injured and it's hard to tell if he's the real deal or not. One thing is for sure, he hasn't contributed to the cause at all this season. Hemdani - Gets loads of plaudits without to me seeming to do much. If he's doing so well, why are we not dominating the midfield against the likes of Hibs and Aberdeen? To me he's maybe a squad player but no more. His plaudits are more to do with how badly the rest of team are playing rather than how good he is. We need a genuine ball winner in midfield more on the lines of Keane, or Stuart McCall. Clement - Looks to have great potential without setting the heather alight, while he's injured the jury is out. Ferguson - Supposed to be back to his best and has definitely stamped his presence on a few games. But why are we still not dominating the midfield and why isn't he scoring goals every other week like he used to? A good player to have but I think we all lie awake at night thinking about who we could have bought for 5 million quid in these cash strapped days. Rae - a reasonable player who would do well for another SPL team but doesn't seem to be getting a shout at Rangers although we seem to be crying out for a no nonsense midfielder. Not sure if he's really good enough and PLG doesn't seem to rate him but I'd like him to get more of a chance till the other players show they are worth a pick. Adam - seems to have loads of potential and has a habit of popping up and doing some great now and again but he seems a bit light weight for a first choce and would be better as a backup to a more experienced player. Martin - shows great skill and pace - very promising youngster but he's greedy and too often we have nothing to show for his darting runs and displays of ball control. He'll grow better with age but seems a poorer, less effective version of Burke who doesn’t defend at all and seems very light weight. He’s not even a left footer. I can’t see him becoming a permanent transfer and so maybe he should be replaced by a proper left midfielder. Prso – a great guy and player but really looks to be on his last legs. Has the odd great game but too often looks slow, tired and lacking in touch. Hustles and bustles but struggles to get the ball into the net and should really have more assists. To me he should become a super sub and come on when the opposing defence is tiring to give them some hassle. Boyd – Does what it says on the tin – scores goals but not much else. He’s improving his all round play but it’ll take a season to make it natural for him. He’s the leagues top scorer and we’ve won more games with him in the team. Definitely should be first on the team sheet despite his faults but needs someone big to partner him upfront. Novo – was complete pants for a year but seems to look really lively now and rediscovered his confidence and as a result his form. Our best player against Motherwell but didn’t get enough service and seems a bit out of position. If he keeps up his form he’s definitely worth a shout at least as a sub. However he’s not the kind of player I’d like to see long term at the club, I’m hoping for a bit more quality. Sebo – doesn’t do what it says on the tin and really hasn’t fitted into the team at all. Looks like he works hard but provides little except one goal and a couple of unawarded penalty claims. Looked good for Vienna so don’t know why he’s turned so bad overnight. PLG seems to think that if he keeps playing him he’ll come good but he’s part of the reason we’ve dropped points when we couldn’t afford to. Maybe he needs to get up to speed in the reserves. Buffel – a complete enigma. Obviously has shed-loads of talent but can’t finish to save himself and fades out of games far too often. A luxury we can’t afford and definitely one of the players who is just not doing it for us. My conclusions: Out: Letizi, Rodriguez, Bardsley, Rae, Sebo and Buffel are the ones who should be shipped out. Klos will be going anyway. Squad players Hutton, Svensson, Hemdani, Sionko, Adam, Prso and Novo should be used sparingly as back up, with the youngers ones being developed. Martin could perhaps be kept as a backup winger to pad out the squad for a season. First team MacGregor deserves a proper chance in goal. Papac, Smith, Ferguson, Burke, Clement and Boyd are the only others I would keep in first team. In A big, experienced centre back who can dominate the area, especially in the air and organise the defence, perhaps even be captain. A mobile right back who can defend well, cut out attacks down the right and break out quickly and deliver telling crosses or passes down the line. An experienced, strong left midfielder who can beat his man, interact with smith, deliver crosses and track back and cut out the left hand channels. A tall, strong, experienced centre forward, target man, who wins everything in the air, holds up the ball and lays it off to Boyd or a midfielder or turn and beat his man. He should be adept at flick-ons and knock backs, and knows his way to goal and can finish with aplomb. A creative midfielder/forward who plays in the middle and can link play between the midfield and attack while also strong enough to be the first one to counteract a break. He needs to have a killer pass which creates goals and be able to shoot and score from 20-25 yards as well as nip in to support the strikers for the odd tap in.

This is now Went in to silly Time!! What i dont understand is Why PLG changed a winning side Mcgreggor - Had a crappy game imo both goals were stoppable Buffel - will the real tam buffel please stand up? Prso - can anyone tell me why PLG will Keep puting him on from the start when it is clear to see he is not in form/ fitness Barry Ferguson - IMO not a bad game left fighting own his own sometimes... Papac -Why oh why was he right back in the squad??? So Many questions no answers And not to leave rangers real enemy out WHERE ARE YOU MR MURRAY??? did you see that game from your vineyard in france or is the wine better than the gers???? Del.

Did anyone else see Scotland Today there? He said "I like Scottish People" then said "Glasgow Rangers" with his thumbs up! Wow waa weee waaah!

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~922857,00.html

Link : http://www.eurosport.com/football/serie-a/2006-2007/sport_sto1000633.shtml Interesting if that one goes ahead.

not me, but the other one. http://www.soccer365.com/EUROPEAN_NEWS/Scottish_News/page_111_130344.shtml