pete 2,499 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Ergatrude Quote Originally Posted by Dutchy View Post But he certainly lead the way, no? No, but he is being singled out for criticism every single time and it is getting beyond a joke. Kirk Broadfoot was far worse than Edu yesterday, but not a mention. Today 01:44 PM Dutchy Quote Originally Posted by Ergatrude View Post The whole team was poor yesterday, not just Edu. But he certainly lead the way, no? Are you guy's in the right thread or am I missing something? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergatrude 0 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 After the "AND..." part in Leggo's blog he goes on to talk about yesterdays result. My reply was to that. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If 500 supporters are marching from the train station to the stadium belting out their anthems is there anyone going to try and arrest them. It would probably be the police that were causing the disorder if they tried. I know it is a stupid statement but true in a practical sense. It is not a stupid statement at all, and therein lies the issue. The police will not go into a large crowd inside or outside a football stadium on the grounds that that is more likely to cause disorder than the potential disorder caused by the alleged offense. So we have the ridiculous situation of Motherwell fans apparently ejected from Pittodrie for standing up and/or having a disagreement with stewads about not sitting down whereas no action is ever taken against old firm fans for standing at the likes of Pittodrie or Tynecastle or Hampden. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 No, but he is being singled out for criticism every single time and it is getting beyond a joke. Kirk Broadfoot was far worse than Edu yesterday, but not a mention. I dont think Leggo is saying that Edu was poor yesterday (even though he was) IMO what Leggo is saying is that when we play at home against teams that sit in, Edu is less effective. He isnt saying that Edu is a bad player, in fact he isnt even saying he played poorly yesterday. What he is saying is that Edu is your grafter and isnt the creative type. When teams play against us at Ibrox they shut Davis down because he is the most creative player in our team without Naismith there. Opponents dont bother too much with Edu because he isnt one that has that killer pass. I have to say that I think Leggo is right. We dont have natural wingers with Naismith and Wylde not playing so the most creativity we have comes from Davis. Opponents shut that down and we become devoid of ideas. Leggo isnt saying that Edu isnt a decent player and I dont even think he criticised him yesterday. Basically I think he is saying horses for courses and that when teams dig in Edu isnt the man for the job. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergatrude 0 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I never looked at it that way Craig. Cheers. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 After the "AND..." part in Leggo's blog he goes on to talk about yesterdays result. My reply was to that. Thanks I get it now. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Funny that Robert Shorthouse's name has cropped up in that article , he was approached by Rangers /Craig Whyte 2 weeks ago to oversee the clubs pr ,after agreeing the meeting venue at 29 , Mortimers establishment , it transpired after half an hour that it was Mortimer who was conducting the interview , Shorthouse duly made his anger known and duly left . It seems a very strange way to conduct an interview for such an important role , especially now in these conditions , why Mortimer was deemed capable of interviewing anyone for a role at Ibrox is beyond me. Something comes to mind about Whytes first time at Ibrox, after his £1 acquisition. Was Mortimer not sitting either beside him or very close. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,247 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Something comes to mind about Whytes first time at Ibrox, after his £1 acquisition. Was Mortimer not sitting either beside him or very close. Mortimer certainly has Whytes ear etc and is be a very useful high rolling supporter , make no bones about it , however when it comes to interviewing someone for a " head of Dept" role it must be the Rangers owner or at least Ali Russell who conducts the interview , remember this interview was going to be 2 way Shorthouse would certainly have been asking awkward questions of a man he would need to protect and support. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 The Green Brigade is in danger of chanting itself out of Celtic Park 21 Nov 2011 THE Green Brigade have just had the sort of week which could swell their egos so much their heads might not fit inside the Parkhead gates. What a row this faction of the Celtic support has whipped up. What attention theyâ??ve generated. In the space of seven days theyâ??ve been the subject of a UEFA investigation and an SPL one. A senior figure at Strathclyde Police has been in the papers asking for a meeting with them â?? the Green Brigade issued a statement telling him where to go â?? and Neil Lennon, the Celtic manager, also spoke publicly about wanting to have discussions with them. Celtic have issued a statement and theyâ??ve been the subject of endless media coverage. They can never have felt so puffed up and important. Mercifully, Celticâ??s visit to Inverness on Saturday didnâ??t turn out to be about the Green Brigade, but it could have been. Everyone had their ears pricked to listen out for the pro-IRA poison theyâ??ve belted out to bring so much trouble to Celticâ??s door, but the controversial stuff was absent. Sure, there was some posturing. Fans sang â??weâ??ll sing what we wantâ?. They held up banners saying â??Our music has survived through famine and oppressionâ? and â??Get up, stand up, donâ??t give up your rights.â? All of that seemed to be setting a depressing context of stubborn defiance ahead of the chants and â??add-onsâ? being heard again, but if there was anything, it was drowned out. Neither Northern Constabulary, Caley Thistleâ??s stewards nor the SPLâ??s match delegate reported anything of concern. In fact, they privately praised the Celtic support. Fansâ?? behaviour is heightened and usually becomes more extreme at away matches, especially after a journey of three or more hours when drink is taken, and that made it all the more encouraging that the Green Brigade toed the line in Inverness. The next test will be the visit of Dunfermline on Wednesday. Celticâ??s last two home games have resulted in investigations from UEFA and the SPL as well as obliterating chief executive Peter Lawwellâ??s frequent claim that the club had no issues at Parkhead and needed to address IRA chants only among its away support. If the pro-IRA chants are heard at Parkhead, Celtic must remove the privileges which some fans have abused That boast has gone and the satisfaction Celtic have from their supporters earning â??Fair Playâ? awards from FIFA and UEFA for their behaviour at the 2003 UEFA Cup final is also at risk. In the never-ending game of oneupmanship, itâ??s always been quite a thing for Celtic fans to crow that they get awards from UEFA while Rangers get fines. Celtic have indulged the Green Brigade and received a slap in the face for it. They gave them their own section of the stadium last year (and upset some season-ticket holders who previously sat there by requiring them to move). The club agreed to banners and flag-waving displays. When the Green Brigade made its mortifying â??no bloodstained poppies on our hoopsâ? protest last November â?? a public relations catastrophe for Celtic â?? the club made a lot of noise about launching an investigation into the matter. If there was any outcome to that, we must have missed it. It can seem as though the Green Brigade has the power in this relationship, not Celtic. They seem to take pride in being a militant, belligerent group. Predictably it has not recognised the authority of the police, nor Scottish footballâ??s governing bodies, and until the weekend it hadnâ??t seemed to pay much notice when senior Celtic figures called for the IRA chants to stop. You canâ??t demand respect for the freedom of speech without showing respect for anything else. If the pro-IRA chants are heard at Parkhead again, though, Celtic have no choice but to remove the privileges they afford to the Green Brigade and which some of its members have abused. When it comes to the redistribution of season tickets next summer they will have to disperse them around the stadium, even prevent them from unfurling their signature banner (the one which includes a skull with a Celtic scarf). By also influencing the distribution of away tickets, they could dramatically reduce the presence of the Green Brigade at any Celtic match. Celtic donâ??t want to do that. They openly praise the Green Brigade for the vibrancy and colour they bring, especially to Parkhead, and they are right to do so. The place would often seem like a morgue without them. That group has made intelligent, germane protests about ticket prices and kick-off times being dictated by television companies. The larger body of Celtic supporters broadly enjoy what they add and respond enthusiastically to them. But itâ??s noticeable, too, that the vast majority do not join in when the pro-IRA stuff starts up. Whatever the outcome of the investigations, UEFA and the SPL will have no option but to take action if the offensive chants are heard again. The precedent has been set; Celtic cannot afford to keep pandering to a faction of its support it if continues to disgrace them. Perhaps the Green Brigade feels at the peak of its powers right now. In fact the group is at a watershed. Either it continues and thrives as a valued and popular benefit to Celtic, or else it chants itself out of Parkhead altogether. Not really Rangers stuff but a part of the general topic I think. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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