Ergatrude 0 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Very laughable indeed even more so if there was a scintilla of truth in it. Simple fact is they had agreed to pay the fee, to say they couldn't raise £500k if frankly bullshit. I think the misunderstanding here is that Ticketus had, allegedly, told the BK's that they would not pay the exclusivity fee. The BK's then got the money together but the people funding the exclusivity fee added clauses ( I assume refunds if they didn't purchase the club?) which the administrators didn't fully agree on? I heard there was a compromise somewhere and an agreement had been reached until PM heard that Ticketus had done a deal with Bill NG aswell & then he threw his toys out of the pram.. ahem.. stepped aside? :fish: In honesty, I was/am on the fence with TBK's, purely because of all the talk of investors but no confirmation of who they are. I completely understand that some investors may want to remain quiet to protect their personal lives, businesses etc etc After reading the thread (which has caused so much controversy) from BH about JB, who said that he hadn't confirmed to PM whether he would be part of TBK's yet AFTER PM had said publicly that he was, my opinion of them changed somewhat. If PM is stepping aside in the interests of Rangers then hats off to him, that is a great gesture. Who knows, maybe if another bidder buys the club TBK's could still be involved in some way? At the end of the day I'm sure even PM knows that a bidder with a £14m pot of gold is a better option, financially at least, than a payday loan (basically) & then a share issue. I would agree with those who are of the opinion that TBK's could be more trusted than anyone else as we know as little about the other bidders as we did about CW & look how that turned out. All things considered, I'm on the fence. I just want next season to hurry up & start with a new owner at the helm &, at the very least, our current playing squad intact. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,060 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just want the nightmare to end and a CVA obtained everything else is secondary at the moment really. (nice fishing smiley, hopefully we'll soon know who's the sprat and who's the mackerel) 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Re them not having success. That can be misleading in terms of who owns and controls a club! What it comes down to is ambition and that's where your linkage falls short. I don't think Hamburg not having success is misleading or that the linkage falls short at all. You yourself made the linkage with Hamburg and I've seen many other fans who want more fan ownership and involvement in Rangers mention Hamburg and their supporter participation model, but the simple fact is that all their club is doing is managing to tick over without winning anything. I'm pretty sure that Hamburg fans are very ambitious and would like to win something, but the cold hard truth is that the club has struggled in their league for years. The sad-but-true definition of success for a club like Hamburg in the Bundesliga is occasionally managing to finish in 3rd or 4th place in the league and get some European nights, but it doesn't happen very often for them. All I'm really saying is that a high level of fan ownership and/or membership as well as the possibility of more involvement in the decision making of the club isn't necessarily the best thing for the club. In fact, despite the romantic myth of the German fan ownership models being something to strive for, a good number of massive Bundesliga clubs have been in deep shit because of it and close to total collapse. There's at least two sides to every story..... At the end of the day, all most of us want right now is for Rangers to survive as a club and get out of this mess without the formation of a 'newco' and NONE of the bidders should be telling the fans via the media that they guarantee that won't happen because they simply can't. The Blue Knights couldn't guarantee that and neither can any of the other bidders. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name 0 Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 I don't think Hamburg not having success is misleading or that the linkage falls short at all. You yourself made the linkage with Hamburg and I've seen many other fans who want more fan ownership and involvement in Rangers mention Hamburg and their supporter participation model, but the simple fact is that all their club is doing is managing to tick over without winning anything. I'm pretty sure that Hamburg fans are very ambitious and would like to win something, but the cold hard truth is that the club has struggled in their league for years. The sad-but-true definition of success for a club like Hamburg in the Bundesliga is occasionally managing to finish in 3rd or 4th place in the league and get some European nights, but it doesn't happen very often for them. All I'm really saying is that a high level of fan ownership and/or membership as well as the possibility of more involvement in the decision making of the club isn't necessarily the best thing for the club. In fact, despite the romantic myth of the German fan ownership models being something to strive for, a good number of massive Bundesliga clubs have been in deep shit because of it and close to total collapse. There's at least two sides to every story..... At the end of the day, all most of us want right now is for Rangers to survive as a club and get out of this mess without the formation of a 'newco' and NONE of the bidders should be telling the fans via the media that they guarantee that won't happen because they simply can't. The Blue Knights couldn't guarantee that and neither can any of the other bidders. Not totally sure the point you're making but one thing I'd like to return is an 'if' scenario. I'd say that if the model that's in place there in Hamburg was in place here with Rangers and if they had the support we have (not just in Glasgow) in place in Germany then personally I feel the future would be promising for both our clubs. I know you and every Rangers fan with half a brain is as concerned as I am about our situation but I remember a good socialist pal of mine giving me a tape of a band (think they were called The The) and there was a great set of lyrics about the stars being at their brightest when you're lying in the gutter, for me we should never loose sight of the potential Rangers FC (in the right hands) has. For me only fan ownership will let us realise that potential. I apologise if my views on this seem arrogant when discussing the current situation - my only excuse is that I feel time along with an open mind has given me a wisdom. There you go, an apology but nothing humble about it. ;-) I may be wrong but for me it looks like developing into Groundhog Day all over again. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Not totally sure the point you're making but one thing I'd like to return is an 'if' scenario. I'd say that if the model that's in place there in Hamburg was in place here with Rangers and if they had the support we have (not just in Glasgow) in place in Germany then personally I feel the future would be promising for both our clubs. I see what you're trying to suggest, but the average attendance this season at Hamburg has been roughly 53,500 fans per home game, while ours has been roughly 46,500, so their average attendance for the season is seven thousand more than ours and you have to take into account that our average this season has been altered by the club going into administration. there was a great set of lyrics about the stars being at their brightest when you're lying in the gutter, for me we should never loose sight of the potential Rangers FC (in the right hands) has. Yes, (in the right hands) the club has enormous potential, there's no doubt about that. For me only fan ownership will let us realise that potential. I don't believe that to be the case at all because there's a lot of different scenarios that would enable the club to realise it's potential and fan ownership isn't necessarily the best or most likely of those scenarios. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 743 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Total utter cunt. Full of lies, hate and bile. Hope he died in absolute agony Thats shocking. Call yourself a Rangers fan or even a human? You need help! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plgsarmy 111 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Not totally sure the point you're making but one thing I'd like to return is an 'if' scenario. I'd say that if the model that's in place there in Hamburg was in place here with Rangers and if they had the support we have (not just in Glasgow) in place in Germany then personally I feel the future would be promising for both our clubs. I know you and every Rangers fan with half a brain is as concerned as I am about our situation but I remember a good socialist pal of mine giving me a tape of a band (think they were called The The) and there was a great set of lyrics about the stars being at their brightest when you're lying in the gutter, for me we should never loose sight of the potential Rangers FC (in the right hands) has. For me only fan ownership will let us realise that potential. I apologise if my views on this seem arrogant when discussing the current situation - my only excuse is that I feel time along with an open mind has given me a wisdom. There you go, an apology but nothing humble about it. ;-) I may be wrong but for me it looks like developing into Groundhog Day all over again. Wasn't that the Oscar Wilde quote - 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'? If not I think it's been ripped off. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,290 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) I see what you're trying to suggest, but the average attendance this season at Hamburg has been roughly 53,500 fans per home game, while ours has been roughly 46,500, so their average attendance for the season is seven thousand more than ours and you have to take into account that our average this season has been altered by the club going into administration. One will have to compare some facts though: Imtech Arena capacity: 57.000 - Hamburg population: 1.799.144 Ibrox Stadium capacity: 51.100 - Glasgow population: 592.820 Some grand teams aside, much of the support comes from the region a team plays in, and Hamburg alone has about thrice as many inhabitants as Glasgow. So by comparisson, we are roughly on par with their use of capacity. Furthermore, you have to consider that the attendance figures in Germany grounds are pretty good, even at teams who have next to nothing to play for (Hamburg, Kaiserslautern). Edited April 18, 2012 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name 0 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Wasn't that the Oscar Wilde quote - 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'? If not I think it's been ripped off. Thanks much appreciated. Yes I now remember the OW quote, the song lyrics are in that area but maybe I've got the band wrong - lost the tape when moving house... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name 0 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 One will have to compare some facts though:Imtech Arena capacity: 57.000 - Hamburg population: 1.799.144 Ibrox Stadium capacity: 51.100 - Glasgow population: 592.820 Some grand teams aside, much of the support comes from the region a team plays in, and Hamburg alone has about thrice as many inhabitants as Glasgow. So by comparisson, we are roughly on par with their use of capacity. Furthermore, you have to consider that the attendance figures in Germany grounds are pretty good, even at teams who have next to nothing to play for (Hamburg, Kaiserslautern). Christ has Glasgow's population dropped that much! There are other factors on top of those you mentioned. Aren't prices at German grounds set at levels agreed with fans as part of their structure? In my opinion our fans wouldn't (and haven't) kicked up a fuss over prices, as long as they were actively engaged and kept in the picture should we start playing youngsters (with a spine of experience coming from players like Sir David of Weir) then I'm sure they'd be happy that things were being addressed and not just this fool hardy approach of relying on CL money. Also, isn't the German economy in far better nick than most? Also fan satisfaction is better in Germay as they aren't ignored in the way we are re agenda against Rangers and us the fans! Example: If fans were treated with contempt by ticket staff / Stewards / Police then people would be sacked or in the case of the Police answers sought at the highest level! The Police in Germany are brand new and only adopt heavy handed measures when everything else has been tried! Compare German Police to those in Spain / Portugal - feeking aniimals! Zappa, I'm not arguing for 100% fan ownership, for me starting at 5-10% and working towards 51% would start the process I think is necessary IN SO MANY WAYS NECESSARY! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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