andy steel 0 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) post deleted Edited June 5, 2012 by andy steel never post when drunk 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 Who are people like me ? after all you already said i was a bigot. You seem to know me after a handful of posts on here. If you're condemning Lafferty for getting married in a chapel, what are you if not a bigot? Would you have condemned him for getting married in a Synagogue? If you're not condemning him at all, but merely defending the bigoted right to free speech, then I object to that a little less. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 0 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) Untangle? Things move on, evolve naturally surely, it's not about what's gone before but what's happening now and in the future. I attach importance to the past. If a Muslim started bringing their religion into their support of Rangers I think a lot of people would have a problem with that, if a Roman Catholic did it I don't think that would go down well with some either. It's not that it's a dirty secret, bloody hell could it be any less of a secret, it's that it's inappropriate. There are other, more obvious vehicles for religious or political views than a football match, or messageboard for that matter. There is nothing inappropriate about the songs I sing. I wonder what is worse the bile shouted at opposition players at all football grounds or the legitimate songs the majority of our support enjoy singing. I personally wouldn't object to a person of another faith expressing their beliefs, I never had a problem with the numerous Roman Catholic players who have served our club well. I don't accept this at all. Rangers are based in the the most populous part of the most populous city in the country, there was a fair chance we would have enjoyed a lot of success and support no matter what. We claimed our place among the games elite in this country through hard work and skill on the pitch, well before any 'Protestant' association was made with us. How can you say that Rangers would not have become the countries most successful club anyway? We have had a protestant association for over a century, the majority of Scots were Protestants and attended the CoS. We may have found success but there is a correlation between the size of our support and the level of investment we can afford. If you believe the size of our support wouldn't have been affected if we had never had a connection with the protestant community, then that is naive. But why at a football match? Why celebrate 'your heritage' there. Why not at a church or in a political party and celebrate football and sport at the game? No one is asking for you to apologise for your beliefs just not to impose them on those who might not share them. Because I have a right to sing songs and express my beliefs in a host of places and until the law states that I am not allowed to then I will continue to do so. A lot of people do things which I don't particularly agree with but that is what happens in a democracy. What are the Orange links to our foundations, genuine question? You don't believe that the fan base who have helped to build this club has connections with the Orange Order. Why say that, are you not able to express your culture, that seems a remarkable view to be honest? My culture has been attacked continuously over the past decade. I won't stop singing songs or expressing my beliefs until such times as it becomes illegal. Xander, what you are saying is wrong mate....lot's of things have changed and I don't feel comfortable with it either but move on or move out. If you are a Protestant then you are welcome at Rangers...If you want to fight in the 17th century then you've missed the boat. If the mhanks want to embellish their club in their roots and foundation then deal with it...fuck them. Edited June 4, 2012 by 54andcounting 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smile 0 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 If you're condemning Lafferty for getting married in a chapel, what are you if not a bigot? Would you have condemned him for getting married in a Synagogue? If you're not condemning him at all, but merely defending the bigoted right to free speech, then I object to that a little less. I dont think you can read to be quite honest and for some reason you seem to use the term Bigot towards Rangers supporters as a way to feel better about yourself. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,245 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I dont think you can read to be quite honest and for some reason you seem to use the term Bigot towards Rangers supporters as a way to feel better about yourself. How about trying to understand the concept of "bigotry" before slamming posters who try to tell you what it is? I for one would assume that no-one is happy to call a fellow Bear a bigot, yet, if they do behave like bigots, what can you do? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 There's some total pish in this thread from both sides of the Rangers family. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smile 0 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 How about trying to understand the concept of "bigotry" before slamming posters who try to tell you what it is? I for one would assume that no-one is happy to call a fellow Bear a bigot, yet, if they do behave like bigots, what can you do? So to understand the concept of Bigotry first the poster has to call me a Bigot or his other term "people like me" sadly i think you guys are kids who have a new buzz word. Going by your flawed logic he must be shouting Nigger at black people to help them understand Racism. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,245 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 So to understand the concept of Bigotry first the poster has to call me a Bigot or his other term "people like me" sadly i think you guys are kids who have a new buzz word. Going by your flawed logic he must be shouting Nigger at black people to help them understand Racism. I'm afraid you utterly misread my remark. And the above reply ain't helping for a civilized debate about such an important matter. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smile 0 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 How about trying to understand the concept of "bigotry" before slamming posters who try to tell you what it is? I for one would assume that no-one is happy to call a fellow Bear a bigot, yet, if they do behave like bigots, what can you do? I'm afraid you utterly misread my remark. And the above reply ain't helping for a civilized debate about such an important matter. What bit do you think i misread surely not the condescending remark at the start. You seem to be defending the poster calling me a Bigot or his classic line "people like me" when i have posted nothing bigoted in the thread. So i take it you think calling people a Bigot helps explain Bigotry to them. Why would you and the OP think you could lecture me on Bigotry. its good that you seem to think i would not understand the concept. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza_8 233 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I had a Humanist service at a lovely hotel at my wedding. *runs and hides from the abuse* Is there a difference between that and being married in a church? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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