Thinker 887 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Don't think Armstrong was ever found to have cheated - never failed a drugs test. Is it not the case that he's simply sick of refuting the allegations, and given up defending them. That's what he claims. Cynics would say he doesn't want to challenge the allegations because he'll just be found guilty. It provides a good argument for why you should always be present at inquests to plead your innocence. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 That's what he claims. Cynics would say he doesn't want to challenge the allegations because he'll just be found guilty. It provides a good argument for why you should always be present at inquests to plead your innocence. He's basically been found guilty because he's stopped challenging the persistent claims. Similar to us.....we've been found guilt (by some) even though the evidence hasn't been presented and ruled upon. If Armstrong hasn't failed a drugs test (and I would imagine he's had a fair number), how can he be found guilty of cheating??? In our case, if the SFA/SPL have granted playing licenses over the years without questioning the EBT's which have been open & declared, how can we then be found "guilty" of cheating now??? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Armstrong did fail drugs tests. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Sports law expert says Charles Green can't stop SPL from stripping Rangers of titles A TOP sports law expert says the Ibrox chief executive will struggle to mount a legal fightback if faced with being stripped of trophies. CHARLES GREEN says the SPL independent commission probe into EBTs is a Mickey Mouse event and that no-one will be taking Rangers’ titles away. But a top sports law expert last night told Record Sport the Ibrox chief executive will struggle to mount a legal fightback if faced with being stripped of trophies. The initial meeting of the commission set up to investigate the company that formerly ran Rangers began yesterday at Hampden and will continue today. Representatives of the Ibrox club were not in attendance after newco chief executive Green argued the SPL has no jurisdiction, following Rangers’ demotion to the Irn-Bru Third Division. Green has threatened legal action if attempts are made to strip titles, but the English-based law expert, who wished to remain anonymous, said: “I don’t see on what basis he’d have to do that. “He would have a difficulty establishing that his new company has standing to do that, or that there was a legal interest it had that was being infringed. “I think it is within the SPL’s powers and I don’t see a clear legal route for him to take. “Mr Green is technically right that there is no jurisdiction over the current activities of his company as they are a member of the SFL and not the SPL. “But it’s entirely within the SPLs rights of jurisdictions to decide who are or were their champions based on their rules.If its rules were broken, they can derecognise. “Even if it was oldco Rangers, there would be a difficulty in establishing some sort of legal right to be recognised as official champions, particularly where fundamental rules have been broken. “In general sport, if someone is found guilty of a doping offence retrospectively, they lose their titles. For example, Lance Armstrong in cycling, or Marion Jones in athletics. “Jones never failed a drugs test in her life, yet it was found seven years later she had been found guilty of taking drugs and she was stripped of her medals. “This is fair. In principle, why should a proven ‘cheat’ retain medals or titles? “Sports governing bodies get their power because participants sign up. That is a contract between the SPL and the members, and between each of them with the other, to conduct the competition on a certain basis. “It is true that, if you are not a member of a sporting organisation, you are not subject to its rules. “To that extent, Mr Green is correct that the SPL is not the current governing body of the club, the SFL and SFA are. “That, however, might be a bit different if you have been a member at the time of rule breaches, which oldco Rangers was. If wrongdoing is proven, it could be seen to have breached its contract with the other clubs and with the SPL. “Where it gets more difficult for him is that, while he is not a member now, newco Rangers are likely to be one day again. “In a similar way to Rangers having to take on board certain conditions for SFA membership, it is not inconceivable that something similar could happen for an SPL share to again be transferred to the club if they become champions of the SFL.” Green is livid at the process and defended his decision to boycott when he said: “This has nothing to do with me. “My consortium bought these titles, we bought the assets, we bought the stadium. We bought them, we paid for them and no-one is taking them. “I’ve not got time to waste with Mickey Mouse events. This should have been done when the SPL had jurisdiction, and they didn’t do it. “You are allowed to have an EBT, you have to disclose it, and there is a raft of information that when these EBTs were being used they were disclosed. “They were in the accounts, it’s public knowledge, Rangers were a public company, you can go on the internet and see the disclosures.” Green also claims “more than two” SPL clubs have used EBTs, while he has also admitted the Ibrox side may not seek re-entry to the top flight should they be successful in progressing to and winning the First Division. He said: “Unless the SPL welcome us with open arms why would we go back there?” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-could-lose-titles-expert-1320450 this is my worry. green may have made a fine unlikely but that may make other things more likely. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 So presumably the SPL would have no idea what was in any player's contracts and that information could not be disclosed by the SFA to the SPL under the Data Protection Act 1998? I'm not sure. they may have permission to look. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 this is my worry. green may have made a fine unlikely but that may make other things more likely. Please explain who Green could make this witch hunt any worse than it already is, by simply calling attention to the fact it is a bloody witch hunt. You need to start firing your bullets at the people who deserve them GS and not the guy trying his best to highlight the one sided kicking fest we have going on in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Please explain who Green could make this witch hunt any worse than it already is, by simply calling attention to the fact it is a bloody witch hunt. You need to start firing your bullets at the people who deserve them GS and not the guy trying his best to highlight the one sided kicking fest we have going on in Scotland. its just an opinion. I never said he made things worse just makes a fine unlikely. there's still about a dozen other possibilities for punishment assuming it is a witch hunt. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,367 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Of course, stripping of titles is the worst possible outcome and despite what is written or thought on the matter, it is far from clear that this is what the SPL would look for. If they have any sense, they will not draw greater world-wide audience onto this, give us a fine (should we be found guilty of anything) like they did with *insert the club that fielded a junior-licensed-player* and be done with it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The driving force behind this couldn't give a monkeys about fines this about Titles. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Armstrong did fail drugs tests. This is the type of pathetic of post I really take exception to. If he failed a drugs test then tell us when, where and give a citation. This is as poor as the propaganda by the Celtic cabal. The statement may or may not be true but to put it there naked is just malicious. I've had a look online and while there are allegations, I can't find one that is substantiated. I'm not being protective of Armstrong in particular, I object to this sort of thing about anyone and perhaps it gets your attention more when it is continually happening to the club you support. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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