Slightly concerned about feedback from Green's NI trip

[GovanAllan 0]

A bit extreme Govan. It's not a case of "please love us" (as you say the Mhanks do) but more a case of spreading a positive image of our club. IMO we could isolate ourselves by reinforcing connections with the OO with an orange strip. I'm sure we could debate until the cows come home about the OO but I feel a lot of people see it as a strange and outdated organisation (including me tbh)

 

I'm not saying we should bend over to be everybodies best friend but what harm would it do to simply promote the best things about our club instead of hitching our wagon to a rather outdated star ? Let's be honest here' date=' after the horrors of Manchester IMO we have pretty tarnished repuation to rebuild.[/quote']

 

So what do we promote, they don't want us to hold up the Protestant Heritage makes you a bigot in this country and too many of our own seem to agree, The Quintessential British Club is even frowned upon, we are a Scottish club not British I'm told, last time I checked Scotland is still in Britian. Being proud to love your Queen and have pictures of her in Ibrox is wrong and outdated and a little cringeworthy we are told so that has to go. Our enemies have done a grand job of getting us believing everything we believe in is wrong and some of us it seems have bought it hook line and sinker.

 

So I ask again what do we stand for tell me and I'll back it, but all I seem to be hearing is what we aren't without anything about what we are? Or should that be what our enemies want us to be?

 

The horrors of Manchester jeez Max you make sound like Stalingrad how many guys actually got done for Manchester 10/12 out of 250,000. A fraction of the scum rounded up in Seville and put on planes back home for every crime from theft to rape to attempted murder but Manchester was a horror what was wrong with Manchester was we didn't have anyone standing up for the real Rangers fans and lobbying UEFA for a fraudulent Fan Award to keep it all under wraps.

 

As for the OO they do no harm to anyone and they are easily ignored if you want, it seems the people who seek out the OO do so just to be offended by them then run screaming about it.

[Thinker 887]

A bit extreme Govan. It's not a case of "please love us" (as you say the Mhanks do) but more a case of spreading a positive image of our club. IMO we could isolate ourselves by reinforcing connections with the OO with an orange strip. I'm sure we could debate until the cows come home about the OO but I feel a lot of people see it as a strange and outdated organisation (including me tbh)

 

I'm not saying we should bend over to be everybodies best friend but what harm would it do to simply promote the best things about our club instead of hitching our wagon to a rather outdated star ? Let's be honest here' date=' after the horrors of Manchester IMO we have pretty tarnished repuation to rebuild.[/quote']

 

I agree, this isn't a question of not wanting an Orange strip because I don't want to offend anyone, or because I want our club to be loved.

 

As for "being like the Mhanks" - that's precisely why I don't want an Orange strip. I don't want to be the Protestant club as opposed to their Catholic one. I don't want to be the Northern Irish club as opposed to their Republican one. I don't want to be the other side of their coin. I don't want to be half of the Old Firm.

 

I went to a non-denominational school, not a specialised religious school. I care about the country I live in now - the one that provided that school, and the hospital I was born in - not the one my great grand parents came from.

 

Very different from the Mhanks.

[Thinker 887]

So what do we promote, they don't want us to hold up the Protestant Heritage makes you a bigot in this country and too many of our own seem to agree, The Quintessential British Club is even frowned upon, we are a Scottish club not British I'm told, last time I checked Scotland is still in Britian. Being proud to love your Queen and have pictures of her in Ibrox is wrong and outdated and a little cringeworthy we are told so that has to go. Our enemies have done a grand job of getting us believing everything we believe in is wrong and some of us it seems have bought it hook line and sinker.

 

So I ask again what do we stand for tell me and I'll back it, but all I seem to be hearing is what we aren't without anything about what we are? Or should that be what our enemies want us to be?

 

The horrors of Manchester jeez Max you make sound like Stalingrad how many guys actually got done for Manchester 10/12 out of 250,000. A fraction of the scum rounded up in Seville and put on planes back home for every crime from theft to rape to attempted murder but Manchester was a horror what was wrong with Manchester was we didn't have anyone standing up for the real Rangers fans and lobbying UEFA for a fraudulent Fan Award to keep it all under wraps.

 

As for the OO they do no harm to anyone and they are easily ignored if you want, it seems the people who seek out the OO do so just to be offended by them then run screaming about it.

 

Upholding your Protestant heritage doesn't make you a bigot. No-one's saying that. It's just irrelevant to football these days.

 

Nobody here is frowning upon Rangers being the qunitessential British Club. It's a statement of fact that Ibrox is in the UK. Our season ticket holders are all citizens of the UK. They're not all Protestant though.

[Max Rebo's Big Blue Nose 0]

So what do we promote, they don't want us to hold up the Protestant Heritage makes you a bigot in this country and too many of our own seem to agree, The Quintessential British Club is even frowned upon, we are a Scottish club not British I'm told, last time I checked Scotland is still in Britian. Being proud to love your Queen and have pictures of her in Ibrox is wrong and outdated and a little cringeworthy we are told so that has to go. Our enemies have done a grand job of getting us believing everything we believe in is wrong and some of us it seems have bought it hook line and sinker.

 

So I ask again what do we stand for tell me and I'll back it, but all I seem to be hearing is what we aren't without anything about what we are? Or should that be what our enemies want us to be?

 

The horrors of Manchester jeez Max you make sound like Stalingrad how many guys actually got done for Manchester 10/12 out of 250,000. A fraction of the scum rounded up in Seville and put on planes back home for every crime from theft to rape to attempted murder but Manchester was a horror what was wrong with Manchester was we didn't have anyone standing up for the real Rangers fans and lobbying UEFA for a fraudulent Fan Award to keep it all under wraps.

 

As for the OO they do no harm to anyone and they are easily ignored if you want, it seems the people who seek out the OO do so just to be offended by them then run screaming about it.

 

First of all, all the things you have mnentioned in your first paragraph are non football related. The Queen? Quintisentially British club? Protestantism? They are external elements that I and many others don't really care for. You ask what we stand for? We are a football team after all. Not a politcal party. Why do we have to stand for anything beyond fairness, dedication, skill, hard work, humility and the quest for footballing greatness? Can we not promote Rangers the football club? The team that was born from 4 young men that had a dream. Can we not promote our acheivements? Our triumphs? Our great players and managers? Our position as Scotland's most successful club?

 

With regards to Manchester, I think it would be naive to play down the effect that night had on our club. Granted the majority of the people had a great time but like or lump it, the actions of that small group of low-lifes was shown around the world under the banner of Rangers. As for Celtic, I could not care less what they did in Seville or anywhere else. I don't care if 80,000 of their fans committed mass genocide, it doesn't change what happened in Manchester

 

The OO are easily ignored? They would be if they didn't feel the need to march through feekin town and the like and cause great disruption. By all means have your knees up in your designated halls etc. I couldn't care less but don't ask the city (and us basically) to pay for policing it. And that goes for any of these "marches"

Edited October 4, 2012 by Max Rebo's Big Blue Nose

[GovanAllan 0]

I agree, this isn't a question of not wanting an Orange strip because I don't want to offend anyone, or because I want our club to be loved.

 

As for "being like the Mhanks" - that's precisely why I don't want an Orange strip. I don't want to be the Protestant club as opposed to their Catholic one. I don't want to be the Northern Irish club as opposed to their Republican one. I don't want to be the other side of their coin. I don't want to be half of the Old Firm.

 

I went to a non-denominational school, not a specialised religious school. I care about the country I live in now - the one that provided that school, and the hospital I was born in - not the one my great grand parents came from.

 

Very different from the Mhanks.

 

Again lots of this is what I don't want us to be about and nothing about what we are. Being proud of your history has nothing to do with them if you can't get grasp that these days you never will, some seem to think our history is defined by our hatred of them. I spend exactly no time in my day thinking about them and if we never had to meet for 90 mins (which we wont for a while) I never would.

 

I'm defined by the love of my culture and my club both are intertwined for me and I hope they never come apart, I'm happy in that shell.

[Bluedell 5,367]

First of all' date=' all the things you have mnentioned in your first paragraph are non football related.[/quote']

 

I find that ironic coming from someone who insists on linking a football strip to a religious organisation.

[GovanAllan 0]

Upholding your Protestant heritage doesn't make you a bigot. No-one's saying that. It's just irrelevant to football these days.

 

Nobody here is frowning upon Rangers being the qunitessential British Club. It's a statement of fact that Ibrox is in the UK. Our season ticket holders are all citizens of the UK. They're not all Protestant though.

 

Your getting caught up on the Protestant thing of course our support is of many cultures as I've said before, we are a broad church but you can't split who a fan is before he walks through the turnstile and who he is when he's sitting in his seat, that's just nonsense.

 

As for the Britishness many on here have expressed their concern that we wave the Union flag about so much when we are a Scottish club.

[Max Rebo's Big Blue Nose 0]

I find that ironic coming from someone who insists on linking a football strip to a religious organisation.

 

Ok then why did the fans in NI asked specifically for an orange strip? Why not pink? Why not yellow? Why not green? The colour of their countries strip?

[Steve1872 4]

Ok then why did the fans in NI asked specifically for an orange strip? Why not pink? Why not yellow? Why not green? The colour of their countries strip?

 

born n bred glaswegian

i also asked for an orange jersey:uk::uk:

[GovanAllan 0]

First of all' date=' all the things you have mnentioned in your first paragraph are non football related. The Queen? Quintisentially British club? Protestantism? They are external elements that I and many others don't really care for. You ask what we stand for? We are a football team after all. Not a politcal party. Why do we have to stand for anything beyond fairness, dedication, skill, hard work, humility and the quest for footballing greatness? Can we not promote Rangers the football club? The team that was born from 4 young men that had a dream. Can we not promote our acheivements? Our triumphs? Our great players and managers? Our position as Scotland's most successful club?

 

With regards to Manchester, I think it would be naive to play down the effect that night had on our club. Granted the majority of the people had a great time but like or lump it, the actions of that small group of low-lifes was shown around the world under the banner of Rangers. As for Celtic, I could not care less what they did in Seville or anywhere else. I don't care if 80,000 of their fans committed mass genocide, it doesn't change what happened in Manchester

 

The OO are easily ignored? They would be if they didn't feel the need to march through feekin town and the like and cause great disruption. By all means have your knees up in your designated halls etc. I couldn't care less but don't ask the city (and us basically) to pay for policing it. And that goes for any of these "marches"[/quote']

 

Your the one asking us to forget all that other stuff and be true to Rangers I'm asking you what that is?

 

As for Manchester your missing the point 10 guys out of 250,000 and we are a disgrace, plane loads held in pens at the airport and they get a Fan Award. We all talk about PR well PR doesn't just help with the good bits we do, it also helps when a few idiots f%*k up, it tells the public look this isn't who we are. It works for them but we would rather shout ok we are scum but please can't you just like us anyway.