Super_Ally 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The moderators forum?....wonder what that's like. :admin::ap::devil: Must be fun. Careful. Hope it was clear the above is just a wee joke. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Ally 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Pete, my take on this is that the 'elitist' comment was not aimed at certain posters (I can name names if you wish, I've no problem with that) as a form of insult. My impression is that it was aimed at those who fairly openly (in previous threads including this one) have alluded to the fact that they would like this to be some form of 'elitist' forum. And comments are often aimed at posters who despise this whole snobbery idea e.g. me, that we should go join some 'lower class' forums. I'm a bit longer in the tooth than most in here probably but this was never the Rangers way in my eyes and I personally despise all it stands for. Rangers has always been about standards: "I have been lucky - lucky in those who were around me from the boardroom to the dressing-room. In time of stress, their unstinted support, unbroken devotion to our club and calmness in adversity eased the task of making Rangers FC the premier club in this country." "To be a Ranger is to sense the sacred trust of upholding all that such a name means in this shrine of football. They must be true in their conception of what the Ibrox tradition seeks from them. No true Ranger has ever failed in the tradition set him." "Our very success, gained you will agree by skill, will draw more people than ever to see it. And that will benefit many more clubs than Rangers. Let the others come after us. We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity." "No matter the days of anxiety that come our way, we shall emerge stronger because of the trials to be overcome. That has been the philosophy of the Rangers since the days of the gallant pioneers." - Bill Struth I don't mind people expecting high standards of debate on here. And respect for those you debate with. We certainly want to avoid making it appear that people are unwelcome in any way though. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,290 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 With all due respect to FF*, Gersnet always had a higher standard of debate and talk. It is sure not elitist or should be. But we should try to keep the standards on here as they are and IMHO, we recently had a slight drop over the McCoist issue, as, I'm sure, all will agree. *Having 20k more members does create much more room for all sorts of people joining the debate on all levels, and it is sure much more rough than over here. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Pete, my take on this is that the 'elitist' comment was not aimed at certain posters (I can name names if you wish, I've no problem with that) as a form of insult. My impression is that it was aimed at those who fairly openly (in previous threads including this one) have alluded to the fact that they would like this to be some form of 'elitist' forum. And comments are often aimed at posters who despise this whole snobbery idea e.g. me, that we should go join some 'lower class' forums. I'm a bit longer in the tooth than most in here probably but this was never the Rangers way in my eyes and I personally despise all it stands for. The thing is that every forum is a product of the people who are posting on it. It is a bit like a pub, if you walk in and like what you see and feel comfortable then you will probably stay. I agree that it should not be insinuated that other forums are lesser they are just different from ours due to the posters wishes. I started here from the BBC forum and sometimes read the comments behind the stories on the record and end up cringing at the content,so I don't stay for long. I certainly don't think I am a better person than anyone on there. We do not hand-pick the people who come on here and we never alter anybodies posts to steer the forum in any direction. More people actually pass through here than stay, so we are probably not their cup of tea. It does not make us a lesser forum, It is a matter of finding the product with the content you are looking for and feel comfortable with. I certainly don't think it is based on class as many on other forums could buy and sell me financially and on intelligence. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anchorman 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 With all due respect to FF*, Gersnet always had a higher standard of debate and talk. It is sure not elitist or should be. But we should try to keep the standards on here as they are and IMHO, we recently had a slight drop over the McCoist issue, as, I'm sure, all will agree. *Having 20k more members does create much more room for all sorts of people joining the debate on all levels, and it is sure much more rough than over here. The thing I found immediately refreshing about on here was the fact that there were obvious standards (within reason. We are all adults and it is football, so the odd swear word at each other is fine in my view). What drove me absolutely bonkers elsewhere was the incessant 'go back to Kerryfail Street Timmy' whenever they disagreed with you [i wonder what they would have made of one of our regular posters who suggested that The Sash was a pretty "gay" song. No names mentioned :-) ] The Tim reference is not a dig at you DB as I know that you didn't feel you were using it loosely yesterday. On a personal level it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they came on here and tried to 'out-debate' as I don't think they would last long (or maybe it wouldn't be such a good thing). 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy steel 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Pete, my take on this is that the 'elitist' comment was not aimed at certain posters (I can name names if you wish, I've no problem with that) as a form of insult. My impression is that it was aimed at those who fairly openly (in previous threads including this one) have alluded to the fact that they would like this to be some form of 'elitist' forum. And comments are often aimed at posters who despise this whole snobbery idea e.g. me, that we should go join some 'lower class' forums. I'm a bit longer in the tooth than most in here probably but this was never the Rangers way in my eyes and I personally despise all it stands for. We touched lightly on this in a thread a few weeks ago, I think. If I may I'd like to clarify my desire for elitism. In my eyes being a Rangers fan makes you a part of the elite. It's an automatic benefit which comes from supporting the greatest football team that ever has or ever will exist (you may note this feeling is not entirely free from bias). We all know some of our fellow bluenoses let the club down now and again, and thanks to the way mud sticks, we all get tarred with the same brush. But it's only by our own actions that we lose our elite status. The other forum I used to use most certainly allows comment of a nature which makes Rangers look bad. I think there's a need to counter that with a place which doesn't pander to the feeblest elements in Scottish society, comments about Spiers being gay, or allegations of timposterism, and such like. I did post - once - a comment on here which you took to mean I should go elsewhere. What I was trying to say was that if you wanted a certain kind of forum, there are more than one available. It hardly means you have to sod off and never show your face on Gersnet again, tho that is how you took it. I fear I may insult you again when I reveal that I don't recall you being especially guilty of lowering the tone (as I see it) but maybe my memory is getting worse. we should go join some 'lower class' forums. I fail to see why poor behaviour is automatically 'lower-class'. Anyone who has ever visited one of the national newspaper comments sections will see stupidity writ large on a scale Rangers messageboards could never even aspire to - there's zero connection between behaviour and class in my mind. Fuxake, look at the bloody govt. we have - a bunch of flaming toffs taking a wrecking ball to the last vestiges of community left in the UK. Plenty are calling for them to clear off, but no-one is calling them lower-class! (I don't think they have any class at all, but that's for another day). This is completely class-free as far as I'm concerned - I may be trying to get myself an education but I am hardly an aristocrat. You'll find plenty of 'well-bred' people with no manners, and plenty of 'working-class' people who could mix in any company, were they allowed. I do wish to set your mind at ease that there is a class element to this. There just isn't. Though I must say, after many years of being given stick on RM for being a socialist, it does make an ironic change to be elevated into the upper classes, gazing down upon the plebs through my monocle. It's maybe a poor reflection on both my language and our society that standing up for good manners and decent behaviour is classed as elitism, but there's no point pretending it is anything else. We can all be the elite as long as we are Bluenoses. But when we let ourselves and our club down, I see no reason to sit quietly by and hope it somehow fixes itself. Edited February 23, 2017 by andy steel 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty 1,878 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Bunch of drama llamas, the lot of you! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 For everyone, this is an emotional time for the club, we ALL are aware of that. We ALL want just one thing... the BEST for our CLUB. It is that simple. We will agree along the way and we will disagree along the way on many, many things. But we can have those debates with respect, it costs us nothing. And we would all do well (me included) to remember that. 100% true. Cheers. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 You should take it as a complement Andy, only Gersnet could have a debate about the level of the debates. That's a fine thing. Very sophisticated, makes you feel you're in ancient Greece. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 173 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 sounds uncannily like the definitive definition of david cameron's 'big society'! rotflmao !! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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