RFC will NOT be stripped of titles

[Gribz 743]

I hope this is correct. And after the decision is announced it could open a massive can of worms. Cant see how Regan and Doncaster can continue in their positions after reading Pete's thread 'above the law'. If I was CG id be looking to overturn the transfer embargo straight away.

[Zappa 0]

that book gets rewritten when it suits them.

 

It does indeed.

[der Berliner 3,290]

A few notes on this snatched from FF

 

Originally Posted by lisburnranger View Post

The only punishment they can give to the newco is the stripping of titles. The football share is owned by the company not the club, hence why we had to apply to have it transferred. The newco has never been under the jurisdiction of the SPL so can never have broken any SPL rules. The titles were won by the club under the management of the oldco and were transferred to the newco along with the goodwill. Lord Nimmo Smith's view is that these titles could be removed.

The SPL share was transferred to the newco as part of the goodwill, but we had no SFA licence which is what I meant by football share. Sorry for the confusion. The SPL stated that the share couldn't automatically transfer which is why they had the vote.

 

Originally Posted by turrabear View Post

not true there are 18/19 different punishments that could be handed out according to their own rule book . but for some reason they have gone with title striping as the only one

 

Originally Posted by lisburnranger View Post

The only one of those punishments that could be applied to the newco is the title stripping. Everything else would apply to oldco.

 

The newco has never been bound by any of the SPL's rules so therefore couldn't have broken any. The SPL case is against the oldco. If the oldco lost the case and a fine was imposed he SPL wold have to go to court and apply for permission to become a creditor of oldco.

 

When newco purchased the goodwill of oldco, it included things like the badge and the history, including titles. If the tribunal decides that the oldco are guilty they can if they wish, withhold the tiles for the years in question. That is he only punishment which could affect newco because theitles belong to the newco.

 

The club hasn't held an SFA licence since 1899 so isn't bound by SFA and SPL rules as a separate entity from the company

 

Originally Posted by deedle View Post

It was certainly on the agenda last summer when they tried to bribe Charles Green into surrendering 13 trophies before any inquiry was held.

 

The removal of titles is exactly what Lawwell wants.

 

The tide may have swung against him, but I believe this tribunal was established with the aim of doing just that.

 

... and remind yourself of whom we actually dealing with: Charles Green: Nimmo Smith's ruling means Rangers did not 'die on June 14'

 

They use the oldco/newco/club terms as they go along and how it suits them. Hence it is of utmost importance that all are represented at this tribunal and ready to see this through, even if it goes to courts outside the football domain.

[Stefanovitch 0]

Can anyone direct me to the 18 available punishments?

[der Berliner 3,290]

Can anyone direct me to the 18 available punishments?

 

Google?

 

Upon determining that a breach of or failure to fulfil the Rules has been established, the Board or, as the case may be, a Commission may:-

 

G6.1.1 give a warning as to future conduct;

 

G6.1.2 give a reprimand;

 

G6.1.3 impose a fine;

 

G6.1.4 annul the result of an Official Match;

 

G6.1.5 order that an Official Match be replayed;

 

G6.1.6 impose a deduction of points;

 

G6.1.7 award an Official Match (with such deemed score as it thinks appropriate) to a Club;

 

G6.1.8 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches behind closed doors;

 

G6.1.9 order the closure of all or part of a Stadium for such period and for such purposes as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.10 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches at such Stadium as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.11 subject to Rule G6.3, order that a Club be expelled from the League;

 

G6.1.12 withdraw or withhold the award of a title or award;

 

G6.1.13 order any Club, Club Official or Player to pay compensation to any Club, Player, person or party;

 

G6.1.14 order any Club, Club Official or Player to comply with any obligation or direction;

 

G6.1.15 cancel or refuse the Registration of any Player Registered or attempted to be Registered;

 

G6.1.16 order that a Club concerned be debarred from Registering Players for such period as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.17 order that any person, persons or group of persons be prohibited from attending at such Official Match or Matches and for such period as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.18 make such other direction, sanction or disposal, not expressly provided for in these Rules, as it shall think appropriate; and/or

 

G6.1.19 make such order as to expenses, including the expenses of the Board and/or, as the case may be, Commission and/or other party, as it thinks appropriate.

 

G6.2 When imposing a direction, sanction or disposal the Board or, as the case may be a Commission, may apply such number and combination of the directions, sanctions and/or disposals provide for in Rule G.1 as it thinks appropriate, may make such provision for time to comply with any one or more of same as it thinks appropriate, may defer for such period or until such event as it shall think appropriate the decision on or imposition of a sanction or sanctions and shall be entitled to suspend the effect of any such direction, sanction or disposal for such period and/or on such conditions as it thinks appropriate.

[Darthter 542]

Can anyone direct me to the 18 available punishments?

 

1 - strip titles

2 - strip titles & hefty fine

3 - strip titles

4- strip titles & hefty fine

5 - strip titles

6- strip titles & hefty fine

7 - strip titles

8- strip titles & hefty fine

9 - strip titles

10- strip titles & hefty fine

11 - strip titles

12- strip titles & hefty fine

13 - strip titles

14- strip titles & hefty fine

15 - strip titles

16- strip titles & hefty fine

17 - strip titles

18- strip titles & hefty fine

 

I may have para-phrased one or two in the list....

[Stefanovitch 0]

Google?

 

Upon determining that a breach of or failure to fulfil the Rules has been established, the Board or, as the case may be, a Commission may:-

 

G6.1.1 give a warning as to future conduct;

 

G6.1.2 give a reprimand;

 

G6.1.3 impose a fine;

 

G6.1.4 annul the result of an Official Match;

 

G6.1.5 order that an Official Match be replayed;

 

G6.1.6 impose a deduction of points;

 

G6.1.7 award an Official Match (with such deemed score as it thinks appropriate) to a Club;

 

G6.1.8 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches behind closed doors;

 

G6.1.9 order the closure of all or part of a Stadium for such period and for such purposes as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.10 order the playing of an Official Match or Matches at such Stadium as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.11 subject to Rule G6.3, order that a Club be expelled from the League;

 

G6.1.12 withdraw or withhold the award of a title or award;

 

G6.1.13 order any Club, Club Official or Player to pay compensation to any Club, Player, person or party;

 

G6.1.14 order any Club, Club Official or Player to comply with any obligation or direction;

 

G6.1.15 cancel or refuse the Registration of any Player Registered or attempted to be Registered;

 

G6.1.16 order that a Club concerned be debarred from Registering Players for such period as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.17 order that any person, persons or group of persons be prohibited from attending at such Official Match or Matches and for such period as it thinks appropriate;

 

G6.1.18 make such other direction, sanction or disposal, not expressly provided for in these Rules, as it shall think appropriate; and/or

 

G6.1.19 make such order as to expenses, including the expenses of the Board and/or, as the case may be, Commission and/or other party, as it thinks appropriate.

 

G6.2 When imposing a direction, sanction or disposal the Board or, as the case may be a Commission, may apply such number and combination of the directions, sanctions and/or disposals provide for in Rule G.1 as it thinks appropriate, may make such provision for time to comply with any one or more of same as it thinks appropriate, may defer for such period or until such event as it shall think appropriate the decision on or imposition of a sanction or sanctions and shall be entitled to suspend the effect of any such direction, sanction or disposal for such period and/or on such conditions as it thinks appropriate.

 

 

So we're looking at the ones in bold or a combination of both.

[der Berliner 3,290]

As it seems, the SPL is in an awkward position, as they a) have to figure out what sort of problem actually is there (if any), b) who would be the target - oldco, newco, or "the club", and c) what sort of punishment (if any) can be dealt. If the OP is right, "title stripping" is being frowned upon by UEFA if the success was gained "on the playing field". If anything, as it looks now, with these 5 chaps we made an administrative / paperwork error. If they deal capital punishment for that, UEFA will be angry, not to speak of our lawyers and QCs.

[Bluedell 5,356]

Given the OP's inaccurate interpretation of Celtic's newco situation, I don't have confidence in his latest "exclusive" and it appears just to be a way increasing traffic on his blog.

[Guest Smug Bluenose]

...fielding a illegible player...

 

Did he come from Uzbekistan or something ?