TRS - Green Brigade Disgrace Scottish Football Again

[amms 0]

amms, you normally post a lot of sense, but this is so far removed from any logic that I have to think kuznetsov has found out where you live and has hijacked you wifi.

 

Hahaha! I wondered where he'd got too recently, not noticed him for a while, I'll check my hedge!

 

 

These self-regarding blowhards demanded that, Strathclyde Police devote additional police time, manpower, resources and funding to escort them on their 'march' from whichever boozer they were getting tanked up in along to Celtic park, where they were going to be going anyway.

In other words, the taxpayer would be paying for additional police just so that these pseudo-revolutionary pricks can feel big about themselves.

 

The cops were quite right to tell them to GTF

 

This has nothing to do with freedom of expression; these twats weren't marching about the bedroom tax, or the referendum or to save the whale. They could have made their way to the ground, as they do every week, and held a protest there about whatever the fuck it is that they're whinging about this month. No, they were asking the public pay for Police to walk alongside them and make them feel self-important.

 

Marches cost money to police and there was no justification for spending any public money on this 'march'.

 

As to the Police response; the cops were faced with an organisation that deliberately and publicly challenged the authority of the police for no other reason than self-agrandisement. The cops had to show them that it's the Police who make public order decisions, not some mob of boozed up plastic paddies.

 

I understand the 'march' was in protest at the way the police are using their powers in regards to football supporters. As I said I've a degree of sympathy with that view, policing at football is an issue we all face.

 

As for marches costing money I'm uncomfortable with that being used as a reason not too allow them. That's the price of a 'free' society, if we allow local authorities or police to decide who can and can't protest on the grounds of cost then we've some constitutional issues at stake. There are marches all the time from groups and organisations I don't support or care for, i'm not sure if people do it for reasons of self-importance, I've never wanted to do it myself.

 

The police response was excessive in terms of numbers. There are political games being played just now, the creation of the 'all Scotland' police force is seeing a fair bit of jockeying for position, the police are also very keen to show the need for greater budgets and greater powers to control public order. The truth is the police don't like public marches and they don't like football crowds.

[amms 0]

Going by what I read on another report, the marchers were informed that they would not be allowed to march on the road due to not having the proper permissions/authority etc - it would have been deemed an illegal march. They were informed that they were free to stick to the pavements & the Police would assist.

 

The Green Brigade chose to ignore the Police's instructions and proceeded to march on the road, therefore causing danger to themselves and other road users. By intentionally choosing to ignore the Police requests, they were then guilty of wrong doing (kind sounds like something connected with a witch hunt of an EBT trial... )

 

The Green Brigade basically brought it on on themselves!!!!

 

I agree, they did bring it on themselves, as soon as they tried to march on the road they were always going to run into trouble. I think the policing was excessive but that's a different point.

[amms 0]

Amms, I get what you are saying but as they marched anyway, what did they expect?

 

If the dickhead EDL applied for a march, were refused & did it anyway, I can't imagine many people would argue with the police presence. You ignore the law, it's your own problem.

Maybe the police had a reason for denying the march (or whomever makes the decision). Rangers fans were denied a march and never went.

 

Yes, you break the law you should accept the consequences, I agree. I think my point is that they should have been allowed to march, it shouldn't have been banned, neither should the Union Bears 'march'. I can't think of a reason why a group of Celtic supporters marching to Parkhead from the Gallowgate on a match day is an issue. They were unlikely to meet a counter demonstration (unlike say the EDL who are always going to be contentious wherever they march) and it would have taken far fewer police to facilitate a march than it took to prevent one.

[amms 0]

Certain notice periods have to be given to allow public marches. I believe that it is 28 days. There has to be all sorts of guarantees given as to stewarding and a whole load of other conditions. I'm guessing that they didn't comply with any of that therefore their request was correctly rejected.

 

Why should the Green Brigade be allowed to ignore the rules that are in place for all other organisations? I don't see why the law is an ass in this case. The rules appear to be reasonable and ar there for everyone's safety.

 

I don't see any reason to side with the Green Brigade. The UBs correctly cancelled their march when permission wasn't given and why should the GB not be subject to the proper rules of the city?

 

The police response was appropriate. I don't see why the public should be terrorised by a bunch of terrorist loving scum who are ignoring the law and doing whatever they want. We should be able to walk to football games without having to worry about that.

 

You've more knowledge of their march request than I do, I disagree with the 28 day rule but it exists and that's all there is to it. I don't think they should be allowed to ignore the rules, I just think the rules are an ass, designed for political reasons.

 

I disagree the police response was appropriate, I think it inflamed the situation rather than contained it, I'm not sure who that benefits. The policing of football supporters is an issue, we've been treated like second class citizens for as long as I've been going to matches. That's not right, that mindset needs challenged. I don't support the Green Brigade, but I've some sympathy with what they were trying to protest about.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

I understand the 'march' was in protest at the way the police are using their powers in regards to football supporters. As I said I've a degree of sympathy with that view, policing at football is an issue we all face.

 

mibbe aye, mibbe naw - the fact is if they wanted to highlight their latest grievance in the form of a march they should have gone about it in the normal, civic, legal way rather than announcing that it would take place at the drop of a hat and at a time and place of their own choosing.

If everybody with a grudge was allowed to march on the public highways whenever the mood struck, you could end up with serious civil disorder.

 

As for marches costing money I'm uncomfortable with that being used as a reason not too allow them. That's the price of a 'free' society, if we allow local authorities or police to decide who can and can't protest on the grounds of cost then we've some constitutional issues at stake.

 

To which I would counter, there are no constitutional issues at stake at all, since the decision to grant or prohibit a march is made by democratically elected representatives, i.e. 'the cooncil'. If you don't like what they do, vote them out.

 

Money should only be a consideration when it is being frivolously wasted - as it would have been in this case.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

Surely that's not a real statement from Celtic it must be a wind up.

 

* Fostering an atmosphere of victimhood and discrimination, when they are the instigators of the trouble and disorder

* Portraying their mhobs as being the innocent parties at the hands of Establishment harassment, despite them deliberately and provocatively breaking the law

* Describing a working relationship with the body entrusted with public order and safety as "collusion", with all the echos of republican para-militarism that connotates.

 

Nope, that level of delusional, bombastic, hypocrisy could only be from Celtic.

[Bluedell 5,356]

You've more knowledge of their march request than I do, I disagree with the 28 day rule but it exists and that's all there is to it. I don't think they should be allowed to ignore the rules, I just think the rules are an ass, designed for political reasons.

 

The rules are there for a number of reasons, including public safety. I fail to see why the rules are designed for political purposes. The GB can have their march if they abide by the rules. They put forward someone who is willing to take responsibility for the march, give the correct notice, give full details of their route and supply the correct amount of marshalls and they are more than half way there. I fail to see why they should just be ignored for one group when everyone else manages to abide by them.

 

It may be possible for a group to get both the council and the police to waive the 28 day rule in exceptional circumstances but if you decide to complain about the police and put in protests about them then you can hardly expect the police to agree to it. I also doubt that exceptional circumstances exist in this case and I also doubt that the GB even attempted to jump through the hoops required to get the 28 days waived.

[Darthter 542]

The rules are set out for ALL to follow.....If you don't follow the procedure, you don't march. I don't know the reasons for their march not being sanctioned, but I'd hazard a guess that the correct procedure hadn't been followed - maybe they didn't want named people taking responsibility for the action (which I believe is required). Maybe they didn't submit their request in time. Maybe their submission was just mince.....

 

What I find amusing is that their protest was about Police behavior/heavy handedness, they then disobey the Police instructions thus forcing them into action, then complain about the Police behavior....

[aweebluesoandso 290]

Yes, you break the law you should accept the consequences, I agree. I think my point is that they should have been allowed to march, it shouldn't have been banned, neither should the Union Bears 'march'. I can't think of a reason why a group of Celtic supporters marching to Parkhead from the Gallowgate on a match day is an issue. They were unlikely to meet a counter demonstration (unlike say the EDL who are always going to be contentious wherever they march) and it would have taken far fewer police to facilitate a march than it took to prevent one.

 

I equate the Green Brigade with the EDL both political and nothing to do with football, I was in Manchester two weeks ago when the EDL were on the streets, the Police force was massive and totally outnumbered the EDL protesters and counter protestants that day. It's purely a police tacit of shock and awe to overwhelm any potential trouble so why should these vile cretins expect any better treatment from the EDL or any other Fascist element?

[GovanAllan 0]

amms, I'll check my hedge.

 

Quality my friend.