amms 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 There's a deeper answer to be given to your post amms but i'll just put one thing out there. The Loving Cup ceremony is an official club ritual and very much based on Unionism, the monarchy etc. Okay, I look forward to your deeper answer. The Loving Cup is one of the little things that make our club great. A beautiful piece of pottery with a sense of history which we received for a selfless, charitable act. That it is used once a year to toast the monarch is great, I love that about it. It's a historical curiosity that pertains to a time and place, its place in our club is emotional. It's like the St Etienne bike or the Arsenal shares (I'm still disproportionately angry about them) in that it only matters to us, only we put value on it. That said I'm not sure what your point is. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amms 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yay, politics & football! Ban the advertising from the grounds and ban talking about the referendum from Rangers Chat! It's summer, what else are we going to talk about? Oh, and you leave the advertising alone... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Okay, I look forward to your deeper answer. The Loving Cup is one of the little things that make our club great. A beautiful piece of pottery with a sense of history which we received for a selfless, charitable act. That it is used once a year to toast the monarch is great, I love that about it. It's a historical curiosity that pertains to a time and place, its place in our club is emotional. It's like the St Etienne bike or the Arsenal shares (I'm still disproportionately angry about them) in that it only matters to us, only we put value on it. That said I'm not sure what your point is. You asked what makes us more British than anyone else, is that not an example? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I think you're confusing insulting a political standpoint and insulting people who vote for it. Perhaps I misunderstood but did you not say a nasty streak is required to vote Tory? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amms 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 You asked what makes us more British than anyone else, is that not an example? It doesn't make us anymore British than Stoke City who gave us it, does it? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,354 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm shocked any Scots who lived through the 80's and 90's would vote Tory after how they've treated our country. Even their arguments against devolution and independence are full of lies, scaremongering and completely twisting the truth while telling us we're just too rubbish a people to govern ourselves. They treat us with contempt. I think as a Scotsman you'd have to be a very money oriented, self centred, high earner to vote for them with an I'm all-right Jack attitude. All other parties may have their failings but the Tories are pretty much the political equivalent of Celtic in Scotland - only looking out for themselves and contemptuously shafting everyone else. What a simplistic and ignorant view. I know many who don't fall into your narrow-minded definition of Tory voters, and many others who I wouldn't presume to say that I know most people's reasons for their voting habits. I'd argue that Scotland was relatively better off in the 80s than it is now. I'd also argue that the pro-independence crowd are far more full of lies, scaremongering and completely twisting the truth. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy steel 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Even I, with my bias, can see that both sides have been guilty of this. The level of debate has been fucking awful. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 What a simplistic and ignorant view. I know many who don't fall into your narrow-minded definition of Tory voters, and many others who I wouldn't presume to say that I know most people's reasons for their voting habits. I'd argue that Scotland was relatively better off in the 80s than it is now. I'd also argue that the pro-independence crowd are far more full of lies, scaremongering and completely twisting the truth. Scottish nationalism has become very ugly to me. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibmark 15 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Any form of nationalism, be it British, Scottish, Irish or whatever is completely alien to me. How you can be proud of something that you have no control over just baffles me. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real PapaBear 0 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Scottish nationalism has become very ugly to me. "has become"? I put it to you, sir, that you started out with your mind made up about scottish nationalism. I say this because if you compare the records in office of the SNP v either of the westminster governments which have been in place since the SNP were elected, you cannot reasonably fail to conclude that Scotttish nationalism has been good for this country, whether it be higher education, the scottish NHS, free eye exams, care for the elderly, investment in renewable energy, investment in transport infrastucture, - the list goes on and on. You know, stuff that used to be considered a British birthright? Stuff that you now only find practiced in Scotland. Maybe because we are now protected against the worst of Tory ideology? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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