A dinosaur rears it's head

[andy steel 0]

But I'm cross that I have let myself by sucked into a political debate when I know it annoys many posters. Sorry about that, me out.

[simplythebest 0]

I'll accept your premise, but I think I can present a case which deals with it.

 

In my working life I've worked in big and small environments. The bigger the environment, the harder it is to get anything done properly and sometimes get done at all. It is also amazingly easy to get away with pulling a fast one when there are countless layers between you and being caught out.

 

Scotland would be tiny, compared to the UK system, and any corruption etc far easier to spot and therefore deter. It's like living in a town where everyone knows everyone else - it deters really bad behaviour because of the knowledge that you will most likely be caught.

 

The eg of Glasgow City council shows how easily corruption can happen; my case is not that we would be a paradise. My case is that, compared to what is blatantly an dysfunctional festering den of iniquity, we really can only be better. Maybe not much - but that would be a start.

 

Basically I'd rather try something else and risk failure than carry on failing with the present.

Being smaller is also a reason why we could struggle.

 

The thing about giving something like this a 'try' is that it's a lifetime decision, we can't just vote to go back into the UK if it doesn't work out. I think it's a very serious danger to have the attitude that things can only be better, can't get worse, i'd say it's certain it can be worse and in my opinion a good case hasn't been put forward to prove it will be better. You say yourself we risk failure, but then we've failed and also lost all the advantages of being in the UK for good.

 

I won't deny i'm a staunch unionist and it would take something sensational for me to vote Yes, but when I try and look at it from a neutral perspective the independence case just doesn't seem all that strong or convincing at all.

[simplythebest 0]

But I'm cross that I have let myself by sucked into a political debate when I know it annoys many posters. Sorry about that, me out.

 

I'm not a huge fan of political debate myself but this is our country's future.

[crucible 0]

The man who will not be master in his own house will forever be a vassal.

[Chibmark 15]

The whole debate is centred round 'what-ifs'.

 

I'm an ardent Capitalist, I look at small and successful countries built up on the Anglo-Saxon economic models, like S Korea, Singapore, NZ, Aus, Canada, Hong Kong, then I look at Scotland and think, 'why not us?' Why are we amongst the poorest people within the British (and Irish) Isles?

 

My real fear about Independence is that the Left take over and promise everyone the world on the never-never and Scotland ends up a populous of subsidy junkies. My hope is that there is silent Right who have been muted since Thatchers Tories were chased out of Scotland and that an Independent Scotland would give them a voice.

 

Either way, Scotland and the UK both run at a loss and have a debt to service. So the Left's hope of a Socialist utopia, where it rains free-money, will never happen.

 

#GSTQ.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

Being smaller is also a reason why we could struggle.

l.

 

In the same way that Norway, Denmark, Sweden; Finland, Switzerland and Austria are all struggling?

 

Of those, only Norway has anything approaching what we have in natural resources and yet they are all among the richest and happiest nations on Earth.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

The whole debate is centred round 'what-ifs'.

 

I'm an ardent Capitalist, I look at small and successful countries built up on the Anglo-Saxon economic models, like S Korea, Singapore, NZ, Aus, Canada, Hong Kong, then I look at Scotland and think, 'why not us?' Why are we amongst the poorest people within the British (and Irish) Isles?

 

My real fear about Independence is that the Left take over and promise everyone the world on the never-never and Scotland ends up a populous of subsidy junkies. My hope is that there is silent Right who have been muted since Thatchers Tories were chased out of Scotland and that an Independent Scotland would give them a voice.

 

Either way, Scotland and the UK both run at a loss and have a debt to service. So the Left's hope of a Socialist utopia, where it rains free-money, will never happen.

 

#GSTQ.

 

Almost every country runs at a loss and services a debt ' we'd be no different. The difference is that Scotland, far from being subsidy junkies has been paying more into the UK than we have been getting out since time began.

 

Scotland: 8.9% of the UK population

Scotland pays 9.6% of the total taken in by the Exchequer

Scotland receives 9.3% of the total spent by the Exchequer.

 

We pay more than our fair share, so being called parasites and junkies by the people we are subsidising is a tad cheeky.

[simplythebest 0]

Oh and I don't want to live in a Republic, which the leader of the Yes campaign admits he's pushing for.

[simplythebest 0]

In the same way that Norway, Denmark, Sweden; Finland, Switzerland and Austria are all struggling?

 

Of those, only Norway has anything approaching what we have in natural resources and yet they are all among the richest and happiest nations on Earth.

Ireland and Iceland have had their struggles.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

Oh and I don't want to live in a Republic.

 

Why not? - and, be warned; this is your last chance to say something....anything... sensible. If you fail to cut the mustard on this one, you and me are over. finished. done.