54andcounting 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 This is how BBC Scotland see it... Hearts have received a transfer embargo until the end of January 2014, while Rangers were fined £50,000 last summer. Rangers also received a 12-month embargo, though it was initially for bringing the game into disrepute. Is this the reason why we were treated differently - or are the BBC mischief making again? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23542094? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,514 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 "@Martin1Williams: #Rangers oldco ACTUAL debt would amount to around £31m - just £3m more than #Hearts coz #Ticketus are chasing their £26m from #CraigWhyte" Interesting from Martin Williams the above excludes Ticketus who subsequently pursued Whyte and the big tax case I don't get that,not surprising as I'm thick!,our debt was approx £18m which was being paid off at £1m per year and we were doing so easily,CW fucked us by refusing to pay tax!,two separate issues. CW fucked us. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,514 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 HEARTS co-administrator Trevor Birch has tempered his disappointment at the club’s signing embargo being extended until February 2014 with an admission that the Tynecastle club may not even be out of administration by then. An SFA Judicial Panel yesterday found Hearts guilty of breaching disciplinary rule 14(g) in suffering an insolvency event when they entered administration on 19 June. Already under an automatic player registration ban imposed by the former Scottish Premier League until they exit administration, in addition to a 15-point deduction with which they will start the new Scottish Premiership season this weekend, Hearts are now prohibited from signing players aged 21 and over until 1 February. It effectively means they cannot operate in that market until the summer 2014 transfer window opens. But although BDO insolvency expert Birch expects the new sanction to make life more difficult on the pitch for manager Gary Locke as he attempts to keep Hearts in the top flight, he believes it could be academic as he warned of a potentially lengthy spell in administration for the club. “We had a fair hearing, but I’m slightly disappointed in the embargo, which has been extended to the end of January for players over 21,” said Birch as he left Hampden following a two-hour hearing in front of the three-man SFA panel. “So we are allowed to sign players under the age of 21 once we come out of administration, but not to sign anybody over 21 until 1 February 2014. “How can I say how it is going to impact us on the pitch? It is certainly not going to help. We had hoped they would just extend it to the end of December and give us the opportunity to refresh the squad in January. “But that’s presuming, of course, that we are out of administration by then. It is not going to be a quick resolution, which is why I’m saying we may not even be out of administration by January. Therefore, in that situation it wouldn’t affect us. We still have the situation in Lithuania to resolve. That process will take time. It may well drag on and we have to be prepared for that.” The administrators for Hearts’ biggest creditor Ukio Bankas, who are owed almost £15.5 million by the club, declared earlier this week that offers to BDO from supporters group Foundation of Hearts and former Livingston owner Angelo Massone’s Five Stars Football Ltd are not sufficient to allow them to facilitate an exit from administration through a Company Voluntary Arrangement and warned they could seek liquidation of the club instead. “There has been no further update from Lithuania yet,” added Birch. “We are just continuing to talk to them about the various offers and hopefully push one of them through at the appropriate stage.” Birch was relieved that Hearts, whose debt to creditors amounts to a total of £28.5 million, did not receive a financial sanction from the SFA panel. “There is no fine, so that’s the good news,” he said. “It’s a big relief, because there were a big range of fines they could levy on the club. So they have recognised that the cash we have at the moment has come from the fans, therefore it would be wrong to levy a fine.” Birch dismissed a suggestion Hearts had been dealt with leniently in comparison to Rangers, who were fined £50,000 last year for going into administration. Rangers put a statement up on their website last night from chief executive Craig Mather, expressing surprise at “glaring differences in the sanctions” and he says he could “understand rising anger” among Ibrox fans. But Birch insisted: “Each situation is different, so I think with the extension of the embargo we have been dealt with in relatively the same manner. Hearts supporters will be disappointed by the extension of the player embargo, but of course it won’t prevent us signing players who are out of contract. It’s not ideal, but those are the cards we have been dealt and we have to get on with it. I appreciate SFA rules state clubs in administration will face sanctions, but Hearts have already had a points deduction and player embargo and it feels like we’re being penalised twice.” http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/hearts-may-still-be-in-administration-by-feb-2014-1-3026540 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,514 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 What is happening in Scottish football just now is actually scandalous!,it is time someone investigated what the fuck is going on!, I mean it is so blatant and corrupt I am amazed not one single chairman/manager/journalist etc: is not doing more for Scottish football,they are all prepared to sit in silence and witness the shambles continue,shame on them all. "It is a matter of fact that people within the SPL wanted me, at first, to surrender titles as part of a deal to enable Rangers to play again as a member of the SFA." Charles Green. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 What is happening in Scottish football just now is actually scandalous!,it is time someone investigated what the fuck is going on!, I mean it is so blatant and corrupt I am amazed not one single chairman/manager/journalist etc: is not doing more for Scottish football,they are all prepared to sit in silence and witness the shambles continue,shame on them all. "It is a matter of fact that people within the SPL wanted me, at first, to surrender titles as part of a deal to enable Rangers to play again as a member of the SFA." Charles Green. It's ok - C**t** are still in the CL 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 ''In the note of reasons explaining why Rangers had failed with their appeal against the fine in May last year, the independent Appellate Tribunal explained that aggravating factors relating to the "deliberate non-payment ... of tax" meant a mere registration embargo was not "proportionate". http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rangers-urge-sfa-tell-us-why-hearts-werent-fined.1375419899 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,247 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 ''In the note of reasons explaining why Rangers had failed with their appeal against the fine in May last year, the independent Appellate Tribunal explained that aggravating factors relating to the "deliberate non-payment ... of tax" meant a mere registration embargo was not "proportionate". http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rangers-urge-sfa-tell-us-why-hearts-werent-fined.1375419899 That will be the same non payement of tax that the SFA knew about in October yet did hee haw and the same non payement of tax that Hearts have done 7 times over 3 years 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 That will be the same non payement of tax that the SFA knew about in October yet did hee haw and the same non payement of tax that Hearts have done 7 times over 3 years Is it this? Martin Williams @Martin1Williams 8m Aggravating features of #Rangers admin fine was tax non-payment. #Hearts owe HMRC £1.9m after £1.75m unpaid bills case with agreed repay plan 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I appreciate SFA rules state clubs in administration will face sanctions, but Hearts have already had a points deduction and player embargo and it feels like we’re being penalised twice.” Welcome to the club!!!! The points deduction & transfer embargo are written in the league rules & apply to EVERY club that goes into administration - no one can moan or complain about these penalties. Hearts have got off VERY lightly IMO. They have had a number of transfer embargos over the past 2-3 years due to various monetary issue - non-payment of tax, non-payment of players wages etc. They have also been allowed to sign new players when they clearly haven't had sufficient funds available (Danny Wilson being the latest example) - Unfair sporting advantage anyone??? The have also been either threatened by or issued with multiple winding-up orders from HMRC. Yet there is still extreme leniency shown..... Here's a question.....What if Hearts are still in administration come February???? Effectively the punishment handed out by the SFA become null & void..... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,357 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Ain't it "cool" if you add a few lines in the ruling that can be interpreted by the "tribunal on the day" as they see fit? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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