Hullo Hullo

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Our problem though is that there is so much scrutiny that even a scent, or a perceived scent of the "offensive" lyrics will create a furore.

It's a stirring song - even more so the verse, which we've never done.

You never know. If we concentrate on fancy dancing elsewhere, it might lead to a new version of its own accord.

The last thing we need is a pukey watered down version.

The song needs to shout that confidence and bravado.

 

See the thing is who is it that is saying that f****n is a sectarian slur? Prof. Tom Devine or the police? We can all look up Wikipedia and see that the f****n brotherhood was formed as a nationalist brotherhood, so why would anyone think we are talking religious bigotry here.

 

http://www.scotzine.com/2011/03/court-ruling-opens-new-can-of-worms-over-old-firm-sectarianism/

 

In a case back in 2011, Devine* proved to the sheriff that the IRA was a republican military organisation and not sectarian in intent.

Here is a quote from that article ...

"The historian then goes on about the specifics of the Act which we have quoted below:

It states that an offence is aggravated by religious prejudice if : (a) “the offender evinces towards the victim (if any) of the offence malice and ill-will based on the victim’s membership or presumed membership of a religious group, or of a social or cultural group with a perceived religious affiliation; or (b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by malice and ill-will towards members of a religious group, or of a social or cultural group with a perceived religious affiliation, based on their membership of that group”.

The key question was – Could vocal approval of the IRA in a public place be considered not simply a potential breach of the peace but one aggravated by religious prejudice?

The sheriff listened to the evidence, including my own* statement, and the various submissions on this question both by defence lawyers and the Crown. He concluded that doubtless some members of the public might take offence at songs being sung in support of an organisation which the UK Government considered to be a terrorist movement. Nonetheless, he ruled that the IRA was a republican military organisation, was not sectarian in intent and that those who showed support for it, real or rhetorical, were not showing “malice or ill will towards members of a religious group’’. The charge could not therefore be sustained under the 2003 legislation and the accusation of a religiously aggravated breach was dismissed."

 

This ruling means that under the 2003 legislation the religiously aggravated breach was unable to get a conviction. Now does that ruling still apply under the OBA or Terrorism Act?

Where are we, when we sing the third line, evincing or showing motivation of malice or ill-will towards anyone?

Is the ****** brotherhood a religious or a political organization?

Who has proved in a court of law that f****n is derogatory, either dejure or de facto? Ergo, how can we be banned from using it?

The eastenders might say that one man's savage is another man's freedom-fighter.

[der Berliner 3,249]

... that ruling shows where British law - at times - falls short. Each time something is brought before a judge, sheriff, or jury, these people decide on the case at hand, some linked precedent, and may or may not be swayed by their own opinion rather than hard-copy law. Be that as it may, scotzine is using this for obvious reasons. Ask them whether they assume that people in Germany or in Spain would get away if they chant their support untowards the RAF or ETA in a football ground or a public place unpunished? As I said somewhere else before, Scotland (and not least the West) has whipped up a rather strange and very narrow new definition of "sectarian" and for some reason, anyhing that contains the Irish, the IRA, and indeed Celtic is barred from that definition.

 

Whereas ... (PIRA) sectarianism is rife on a different scale:

 

[bluebear54 0]

Is "Secondery" a new type of classification for schools?

[andy steel 0]

That can't be real! 'Secondery'!?!?

[The Real PapaBear 0]

That can't be real! 'Secondery'!?!?

 

I'm a tad more concerned that a school funded by the British taxpayer is giving rehearsal space to an organisation named after a terrorist which has two Armalite rifles in its crest. Does OFSTED know about this? HTF can that headmaster keep his or her job?

[pete 2,499]

Is "Secondery" a new type of classification for schools?

 

I went to Woodside Senior Secondary and that was 40 years ago. So. No!

[pete 2,499]

Is "Secondery" a new type of classification for schools?

 

Ah, Spelling. the penny dropped.

[bluebear54 0]

If we think things are mad now, just wait until corroboration goes out the window as is proposed.

Things will suddenly become a whole lot worse.

[Juancornetto 1]

[SteveC 150]

I'm a tad more concerned that a school funded by the British taxpayer is giving rehearsal space to an organisation named after a terrorist which has two Armalite rifles in its crest. Does OFSTED know about this? HTF can that headmaster keep his or her job?

 

Surely only in Scotland would the taxpayer be forced to pay for schools (bigot factories) that "entertain" people who wanted to blow them to pieces? The website for that lot apparently contains IRA promotional stuff