Dave King facing an uncertain Ibrox future

[JFK-1 1,677]

We have always been British whether some like it or not.

 

Following Julius Caesar's expeditions to the island in 55 and 54 BC, Brit(t)an(n)ia was predominantly used to refer to just the island of Great Britain.

[cooponthewing 1,139]

What exactly is British mentality? Just asking

 

I didn't explain properly. When I say "British mentality" I mean being part of the union. An inclusive, diverse range of different people upholding shared values together.

As opposed to divisive, separatist, insular, backward thinking, parochial nationalism.

Before anyone states the obvious "hypocrisy" of that statement at the moment, I voted to remain part of the European Union too.

Edited March 30, 2017 by cooponthewing

[pete 2,499]

Following Julius Caesar's expeditions to the island in 55 and 54 BC, Brit(t)an(n)ia was predominantly used to refer to just the island of Great Britain.

 

We have always been British whether some like it or not.

 

it was the Romans that built Hadrian's wall because they thought the Scottish were wild men so they did not class us as British back then.

[Rousseau 9,508]

it was the Romans that built Hadrian's wall because they thought the Scottish were wild men so they did not class us as British back then.

 

They termed any non-Roman as barbarians. They built Hadrian's wall then the Antonine wall (between the Forth and the Clyde) to mark the extent of the empire -- although they had forts all the way up to Inverness -- to keep out the Picts. The Picts are Scottish but we're not all Picts as their territory was limited to the highlands. So, the Lowlands were British to the Romans. Ultimately though, Britannia referred to the whole island of Great Britain for the Romans.

 

We need to discuss history more often -- this is great! I don't know how we got here, though? Dave King to British identity to the Romans?

Edited March 31, 2017 by Rousseau

[Uilleam 5,507]

As far as Rangers is concerned, I can say only this:

the Barbarians are at the gate, and have been for some years.

[Thinker 887]

They termed any non-Roman as barbarians. They built Hadrian's wall then the Antonine wall (between the Forth and the Clyde) to mark the extent of the empire -- although they had forts all the way up to Inverness -- to keep out the Picts. The Picts are Scottish but we're not all Picts as their territory was limited to the highlands. So, the Lowlands were British to the Romans. Ultimately though, Britannia referred to the whole island of Great Britain for the Romans.

 

We need to discuss history more often -- this is great! I don't know how we hot here, though? Dave King to British identity to the Romans?

 

The Picts weren't really Scottish. They lived in what is now Scotland, but the Scots (Gaels from Ireland) arrived only after the Roman Empire crumbled.

 

During Roman times it was Britons up to the Antonine wall, and Picts beyond. After the Romans departed, Gaels arrived in the North West more-or-less as Angles were arriving in the South East. Scotland is roughly made up of 4 quarters: Dal Raida (Gaels) in the NW, Pictland in the NE, the Kingdom of Strathclyde (Britons) in the SW and Bernician Lothian (Anglo-Saxons) in the SE. Eventually the King of the Gaelic Scots tribe united the 4 through conquest and marriage and his tribe gave its name to the whole lot.

 

Culturual differences between the Gaelic speaking North and those who spoke Scots (which, confusingly, is a branch of Anglo-Saxon and has nothing to do with the Scots tribe) are responsible for many of the major twists in Scottish history.

[der Berliner 3,293]

Good low-down by Thinker, only ... the term "Picts" is being used only after 297 CE and we had Agricola fighting the Caledonians et al before that in their area. Essentially, the inhabitants of Britannia were almost all Britons in the first and second century, even though those who were to be termed Picts in North-Eastern Scotland might have even predated the Celtic-speaking Britons. Still highly debated a topic.

 

In any case, if someone wants to get an excellent introduction into this, help yooiusrelf to Tim Clarkson's - The Makers of Scotland.

[der Berliner 3,293]

it was the Romans that built Hadrian's wall because they thought the Scottish were wild men so they did not class us as British back then.

 

Hadrian built this thing for a number of reasons, the political one was to stop the raiding of Roman lands in the province south of the border. The "tradition" of cattle raiding went on well down into the 16th and 17th century. That, and controlling any trade from the north. As a defence it was at best semi-effective, same as a monumental piece of workmanship ... as not many Romans ventured up to see it in person.

[ian1964 10,460]

Talk about a thread being derailed!.............................

[jhunter 0]

Talk about a thread being derailed!.............................

 

you started it :devil: