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1 hour ago, BEARGER said:

The number of RC Lord Provosts  means nothing. Again give a wee list of Anti Protestant decisions/policies carried out by the council.

You've a record of asking for lists and then ignoring them when you're given them. You're already dismissing answers. 

 

I'm shocked that as a Rangers fan you even need to ask. 

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27 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

You've a record of asking for lists and then ignoring them when you're given them. You're already dismissing answers. 

 

I'm shocked that as a Rangers fan you even need to ask. 

I see this time and time again, people with an agenda saying that others have an agenda against them. I just want proof of this Anti Protestant claim, actual actions that are discriminatory to Protestants. 

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7 hours ago, cooponthewing said:

I don’t know whether to laugh or laugh more......

 

6 hours ago, Bluedell said:

You've a record of asking for lists and then ignoring them when you're given them. You're already dismissing answers. 

 

I'm shocked that as a Rangers fan you even need to ask. 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/16354369.agenda-by-susan-aitken-glasgow-intends-to-take-a-strong-stance-on-marches/

13th July 2018
Agenda by Susan Aitken: Glasgow intends to take a strong stance on marches
By Agenda by Susan Aitken, Leader, Glasgow City Council

... Modern Scotland prides itself on tolerance. What we cannot tolerate is hate crime, sectarian, racist or otherwise. ...
... Official participants may not be involved in sectarian and anti-social incidents around parades but it’s simply not enough to absolve themselves by pointing to hangers-on. They need to step up and take wider responsibility for those they attract and refer to as their wider support and networks when it suits. What happens on your watch happens on your watch. ...
... Only where the police have intelligence of significant and serious disorder do they object, allowing parades to be either prohibited or re-routed. And it’s worth stating that Orange parades are not the only marches where police action has been required in the past year. ...
... We are governed primarily by the European Convention on Human Rights. It permits freedom of assembly to all and any, including those we disagree with. And the key principle of the 2006 Scottish Parliament guidance on parades is that the role of councils is to facilitate, not to adjudicate on who can and can’t. Ideology and costs are not factors. The law is explicit in what applies to one parade, applies to all.


https://www.scotsman.com/news/humza-yousaf-most-people-in-snp-want-to-get-rid-of-monarchy-1-4127741

Humza Yousaf: Most people in SNP want to get rid of monarchy

A LEADING SNP politician has admitted “most people” in his party want to get rid of the Queen as head of state, despite its official policy to keep the Monarchy.

Humza Yousaf suggested the SNP’s position to retain the Monarchy in an independent Scotland was simply an attempt to secure more support for breaking up the UK.

Appearing on the BBC’s Question Time programme, Mr Yousaf said: “Most people in the SNP – it would hardly be a surprise to you – would at some point like to see our head of state elected. But for the purpose of independence we said we would keep the Queen as head of state.” ...


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-28194554

Orange Order defends right to parade
7 July 2014

... The 12-year-old girl was said to have been watching the parade when a fight broke out among a number people nearby. This resulted in the girl being hit by what is understood to have been a bottle. She was treated at Yorkhill Hospital for a head injury, but was later released. Her relative was also hit with the item and suffered a cut to her hand. ...
... "Over the last two or three years the Orange institution has worked endlessly with Police Scotland, Glasgow City Council and other local authorities to ensure that we are reducing the number of police by training stewards.
... "We have over 3,000 stewards trained at this moment in time which allows the police perhaps to reduce their numbers and concentrate on any disorder that may arise from the followers of our parade." ...

 

More facts Ad infinitum for those who wish to search for them.

Some people want facts but are too lazy to search for them or maybe it doesn't suit their agenda to balance their argument.
We know the leader of SNP on GCC has an agenda because she has written about it and has spoken about it ad nauseam. She has said she will stop the Loyalist Orders from marching where she deems it inappropriate. She bases her argument on the attack by a thug at last year's Orange Order walk. She berates the OO for not taking responsibility for their pavement supporters. I would ask her how this can be achieved. The OO are allowed to parade with marshalls to make sure that all personnel within the official parade are behaving in a dignified manner within their cultural limits. It is the job of the police to handle any trouble outside the constraints of the parade personnel. She admits that there were no OO personnel involved on the attack on the priest, why were the police not protecting the chapel as the parade passed by? Ordinary citizens are not equipped with the training or the equipment that are bestowed on the police. So, again how can OO personnel interfere with the public walking on the pavement? She is taking her agenda to extremes by blaming the OO and not the police for the attack on the priest. If she thinks it is that easy for the OO to convince people, whom they do not know, to be entirely peaceful and law-abiding then maybe she could get Celtic FC to share with the OO how they always manage to keep the brigade of green under complete control. It must be easy because the Compliance Officer has never cited Celtic for crowd trouble.
Now she also states that what is good for one party is good for all. Here are the details of another parade ...

Organisation
West of Scotland Band Alliance
(n.b. are the oldest Republican marching organisation in Scotland formed in 1979. They march to promote the establishment of a 32 County Socialist Republic of Ireland. The band alliance regularly organise events to commemorate Irish republicans who have died for those politics. Wikipedia)
Date of procession
Saturday April 27, 2019
Start time of outward route
12:30
Assembly point
India St.
Proposed route 
India St. ... Nelson Mandela place ... George Square ...
( n.b. The St George's Tron Church, in Glasgow, Scotland, is a Church of Scotland church in the city centre, located in Nelson Mandela Place near Queen Street Station.)
( n.b. In George Square we find the Cenotaph. The monument was unveiled in May 1924 by Earl Haig. In the background of this image are the Glasgow City Chambers, opened in 1888 by Queen Victoria. In the foreground the wreaths surrounding the cenotaph ...)

 

Now according to the esteemed SNP leader of GCC, her agenda states that it is inappropriate for the OO to parade past an RC church. remember, what is good for one is good for the other. Why then has she allowed a Republican band to parade past a Church of Scotland church on their parade? Also, their avowed intention is to remove all Brits from the island of Ireland and yet she lets them parade past the revered Cenotaph. Do the police have any intelligence that republican sidewalk supporters have any intention of disrespecting the memorial to our soldiers or a respected CoS church?
Balance in an agenda is very good but when she represents the national SNP party at local level and whose national leaders freely admit that they lied when they said they would keep the Monarch, the Defender of the Faith, as Head of State then it becomes difficult to not perceive that she is working an agenda which is detrimental to Loyalists.
The Vanguard Bears may not speak for every protestant in Scotland but I'm quite sure they speak for a great deal of protestants.
If only I had an agenda I could post here ...

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10 hours ago, BEARGER said:

I see this time and time again, people with an agenda saying that others have an agenda against them. I just want proof of this Anti Protestant claim, actual actions that are discriminatory to Protestants. 

I see this time and time again, people with an agenda saying they need lists of evidence before they can deign to grant their agreement ... when in reality their approval or otherwise is about as worthless as their own condescension.

 

I can understand if people who live in and have first hand experience of a sectarian council want to disagree and put up some sort of reason for doing so. What I can't accept are people who don't even live in the same country, let alone Glasgow, calling out Glaswegians for having an opinion, without even the courtesy of an explanation.

 

I don't live in Glasgow, I'll listen to people who do.

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The fanzone. 

The work done around Parkhead for the fabled one pound. 

The under valuing of Westthorn land

The redevelopment of the area around Celtic Park, while trying to hide Ibrox behind hideous social housing

The development of transport links around Parkhead while refusing a train link to Ibrox

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39 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

The fanzone. 

The work done around Parkhead for the fabled one pound. 

The under valuing of Westthorn land

The redevelopment of the area around Celtic Park, while trying to hide Ibrox behind hideous social housing

The development of transport links around Parkhead while refusing a train link to Ibrox

Sorry Bluedell,

 

I am a pedant, the three streets ie Janefield Street, Dalriada Street, and Kinloch Street) were sold to ra Sellik for ONE PENNY.

 

That is ONE PENNY, after 300 families received resettlement grants averaging £4k per household, the housing was demolished, and the land cleared.  

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The statement from the SPAD said: "The decision taken yesterday by Glasgow City Council and Police Scotland is a clear attack on the Culture and Beliefs of the Protestant people of Scotland and in doing so have created a 'No Go Area' for Protestants.

 

No evidence of these claims has been given on this thread. The OO is not the same thing as the "Protestant People of Scotland", rerouting a OO march does not created a "No Go Area for Protestants". 

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