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57 minutes ago, compo said:

I see scientists have discovered an unknown type of beetle and have named it after the little planet saver it will be called Nelloptodes Gretae after her and it even has two antennae just like her pigtails,  .

I wouldn't be surprised to see another creepy-crawly sporting pigtails of opportunity as she leads her SNP hive into the election.

 

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The battle of Canning Town proves barbarism is never as far away as you think

 

My heart sang when I first watched the film of arrogant, self-righteous Warmists being pulled off the roof of a London Underground train.

 

I am weary of the way that the Climate Liars have browbeaten the whole Establishment into submission with their wild, fanciful panic about impending doom and their unhinged plans to plunge us into a new, literally dark age.

 

Unlike many other commentators, I am not at all convinced that they have a point or deserve any sympathy.

 

And I must confess a personal interest. As an infrequent flier, I was uselessly angry a few months ago when their criminal threat to close Heathrow by the use of drones forced me to revise long-cherished travel plans, at a cost of several hundred irrecoverable pounds.

It was also pleasing to see somebody doing to these pains in the neck what our enfeebled, politicised police are so reluctant to do. If you watch the videos from Canning Town Station carefully, you can hear the authorities instantly conceding defeat to the Warmists without a fight, feebly ordering all passengers to leave the station.

 

How typical this is, too. Whenever normal people are the victims of anything, somehow it is impossible for the police or the authorities to do anything about it.

 

Anti-social behaviour in your street? So sorry. We'll drive by for two minutes and then never come back, and that's if you're lucky.

 

Your neighbour smokes illegal drugs in his back garden and perfumes the air with marijuana? Not interested. Burgled? Fill in a form. Protesters stopping you from earning a living? Sorry, but we're too busy. But a convoy of politicians through the streets comes with an arrogant and bullying escort, all motorbikes, whistles and 'Stay Back!', as if it were Vladimir Putin going by in his special Kremlin lane. And an offended transgender person on Twitter can summon teams of cybercops to descend ferociously on a critic, while a man who calls on the IRA to murder the Cabinet gets a gentle, kindly letter, promising he is not in trouble.

 

But once I had stopped gloating for a moment, I watched again. And I saw danger. In October 2019 there is still just enough restraint in a London crowd for the episode not to turn really nasty. The film did not show exactly what happened to the protesters once they were yanked to the ground. I suspect they got quite roughly handled, but they were rescued by cooler heads.

 

But how long will this restraint last? I'm told the new Joker film portrays a sinister, malevolent world in a modern setting, and I think that's where we are heading if we are not careful – blood and flying boots among the skyscrapers. When justice sleeps and authority folds its arms, people eventually decide that there is no further point in obedience or restraint.

 

Because the thing is that this general exasperation is widespread on all sides. And if justice is not revived, it will explode.

 

It's a while now since I found myself in the murderous hell of Mogadishu, a nightmare come true. But the worst of it was finding out later that, a few short years before, the blasted, dangerous desolation I saw had been a prosperous, civilised cityscape of well-dressed people, smart cars and white-gloved traffic police. Barbarism is never as far away as you think.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2019/10/peter-hitchens-the-battle-of-canning-town-proves-barbarism-is-never-as-far-away-as-you-think.html

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8 minutes ago, Briton said:

Well let Venus be a warning to science deniers.

 

Seriously though if only your statement that "nobody doubts the need for climate action" was close to the truth.

Well you don't need a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Any action has to be proportionate. The action on CFCs has reduced the ozone depletion which is expected to completely heal. Making it harder for working class people to take flights by putting the prices up (extinction rebellion policy) and own cars, is the sledgehammer and wrong.

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34 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

Well you don't need a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Any action has to be proportionate. The action on CFCs has reduced the ozone depletion which is expected to completely heal. Making it harder for working class people to take flights by putting the prices up (extinction rebellion policy) and own cars, is the sledgehammer and wrong.

I think we need to take drastic action.  It's great to see someone who is so excited at the prospect of a large Tory majority being so concerned for the working class but who do you think will bear the brunt of this predicted climate change? 

 

Fact is though; there are plenty of science deniers who see no need for climate action.

 

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55 minutes ago, Briton said:

I think we need to take drastic action.  It's great to see someone who is so excited at the prospect of a large Tory majority being so concerned for the working class but who do you think will bear the brunt of this predicted climate change? 

 

Fact is though; there are plenty of science deniers who see no need for climate action.

 

That's as maybe, but the socialists have abandoned the working class, preferring to stroke the of the champagne set in Islington and London as a whole. 

 

No we do not need drastic action, we need proportionate action, Drastic action is the policy of the middle class Extinction Rebellion set, so not sure why you are purporting their policies? Having an enquiring mind and questioning what you are being told is something I would advise you to develop. 

 

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4 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

That's as maybe, but the socialists have abandoned the working class, preferring to stroke the of the champagne set in Islington and London as a whole. 

Not all but I agree there is some truth to that.

 

6 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

No we do not need drastic action, we need proportionate action...

This going to get into a semantic argument.  What I consider proportionate you consider drastic.  I get that.  Look at it this way though;  what if I'm wrong?  We might accidentally develop new technologies and all but wean ourselves off of hydrocarbons?  We might develop our systems to be as efficient as is viable and cut down on waste?  It's a chance I'm willing to take.

 

On the other hand what if you are wrong and we reach the point where we will not be able to act?   The consequences are very likely to be catastrophic for civilisation.  That's a chance I'm not willing to take. Not for me BTW.  I'll likely be in my box before the real shit hits the fan.  I'm thinking of my children and grandchildren.

 

22 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

Drastic action is the policy of the middle class Extinction Rebellion set, so not sure why you are purporting their policies?

I don't agree with all their ideas (or actions) but  I would imagine all classes of people are entitled to be worried about extinction.  I do generally agree withem in principle though.

 

29 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

Having an enquiring mind and questioning what you are being told is something I would advise you to develop. 

I've been asked to ignore these petty insults so I think I'd better.  Besides you know it upsets you if I retaliate, best you cut it out.

 

 

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On 23/09/2019 at 22:04, Bill said:

Overpopulation is at the root of all pressure on both human and natural systems. If we can't reduce population then it won't matter what the fuck else we or saintly little Greta do. If we allow population to increase as it is widely projected to do, coupled with a broadening front of social development, then the entire thing is toast for human civilisation. Frankly, you have to contrive some amount of false optimism to believe the future is rosy. Putting electric vehicles on Britain's roads will have all the effect of scratching your arse.

Widely projected by whom?   There's a very good case for the human population topping out at about 10-11 billion before gradually declining.  We can manage that as things stand and we could improve the situation by striving to bring as many people out of poverty as we can.  Assuming no catastrophic  environmental disasters that is.  

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