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16 hours ago, Gonzo79 said:

I've watched a few of his interviews and he came across quite well.  

 

I had him down as someone there to provide advice to men who are doubting themselves and their existence. 

 

I know I'm a terrific, handsome guy, so don't need any help.  ?

Don't watch his interviews, watch his lectures. The interviews are too often a platform for others seeking to undermine Peterson and end up with him debating on their terms. For any chance of understanding what Peterson stands for as a psychologist and social commentator, his presentations to an audience are far more useful at showing the depth of his knowledge and the foundations of his proposition.

 

I don't think on any basis that Dr Peterson can be dismissed as "good" or "bad". I'm not even sure you can like or dislike him. The man's worth is vested in a spectrum of complex analyses of very complex issues that are largely academic rather than polemic. But he's also a communicator and exposer of shallow and often fraudulent popular perceptions, which is where his wider media fame tends to come from.

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10 hours ago, bluedan said:

Owen Jones ??‍♂️

The calmness Peterson displays when he debates and often challenged pretty vociferously on his views shows what a master he is with the knowledge to back it up. 

The GQ interview is worth a look at, he's in a bit of a grump on that one, apparently due to the coldness he was shown by the interviewer before they started. So when he was challenged he came out all guns blazing. 

Jones is a complete tool.

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2 hours ago, ranger_syntax said:

I read this recently.

 

The larger Gulag Archipelago continues to gather dust on the shelf though.

Then I would dust if off get a pot of good coffee and some quality biscuits and read it an excellent book..

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Everyone has a favourite book, something they enjoyed that left a mark for whatever reason. However, the best books are seldom the most enjoyable. A really good book should challenge your comfortable certainties. Otherwise, what's the point? You'd be as well just looking in the mirror.

 

About three months ago I finished reading Chernobyl Prayer by Svetlana Alexievich. I believe in some countries it was published under the title of Chernobyl Voices. It was one of the most difficult and harrowing things I've ever read. More than once I thought about putting it back on the bookshelf unfinished. But I did finish it and haven't been able to get it out of my head since, which possibly explains why she won a Nobel Prize for Literature for it.

 

One of the reviews I read said that it "left radiation burns on the brain". It's a series of oral testimonies of those who lived through the Chernobyl disaster, assembled into a work of non-fiction, and focusses not on the disaster itself but on the effect on ordinary people who had their personal foundations swept away.

 

If you read nothing else in your life, read this. You won't be the same person afterwards.

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On 27/06/2020 at 02:50, bluedan said:

Owen Jones ??‍♂️

The calmness Peterson displays when he debates and often challenged pretty vociferously on his views shows what a master he is with the knowledge to back it up. 

The GQ interview is worth a look at, he's in a bit of a grump on that one, apparently due to the coldness he was shown by the interviewer before they started. So when he was challenged he came out all guns blazing. 

I read this today, which I believe is from his unpublished sequel to 12 Rules. 
 

"Abraham makes a contract with the Good, and he constantly renews it. He has to be willing to sacrifice whatever’s necessary in order to maintain that contract. That seems, to me, to be realistic. There’s no reason to assume that life isn’t so difficult that it actually demands the best from you—and that, if you were willing to reveal the best in you in response to the vicissitudes of life, you might actually prevail, and you might actually set things straight around you."

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On 28/06/2020 at 11:38, Bill said:

About three months ago I finished reading Chernobyl Prayer by Svetlana Alexievich. I believe in some countries it was published under the title of Chernobyl Voices. It was one of the most difficult and harrowing things I've ever read.

Reminds me of the Russian film, Come And See.  It was mindblowing but in a very horrible way.  I'm glad I watched it but will never watch it again.

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