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3 hours ago, Gonzo79 said:

FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Classic C4. Using the underlying socialist premise of inevitable and inherent equality in all things, they naturally assume that black and white communities commit crimes at an identical rate per capita and therefore any disparity in per capita rates of arrest and conviction must be inherently corrupt. When it's pointed out that certain parts of society commit more crimes than others, they immediately reclaim victimhood by citing deprivation. No racial disparity can be allowed, even when factually based, because that might challenge the equality myth. It has always struck me that no such mandatory equality is asserted for individual race groups. Poor whites and rich blacks threaten to destabilise the overarching paradigm of black good, white bad and if white is good them it's down to privilege. I guess it's a case of having made their BLM bed, they're honour bound to lie in it forever. 

 

Racism is truly awful. Making political capital out of falsifying racism is even worse because it fundamentally depends on perpetuating racism.

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7 hours ago, buster. said:

I think it quite apparent that the usual suspects on here (including you) think nothing should change and I'm not going to labour the point against what are consistent, bitter and twisted views around the same subject matter.

 

 

I'm not sure if I've expressed many opinions on this topic.

 

I've asked a couple of simple questions to find out what you think about the matter.

 

Too difficult for you?

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22 hours ago, forlanssister said:

Funnily enough I've always believed that yourself, Gonzo and ASIL all drink from the same cup when it comes to Red Sea Pedestrians.

 

Not convinced there's a direct correlation between virulent anti-woke and a being a cross burning racist either.

Back in the 80's, I remember thinking that anti-racism campaigns were fundamentally flawed. That isn't to say that they weren't needed, but IMO, they were simply not the way to go about what to be fair is a hugely difficult problem.

 

It was the same for many politically correct themes, they effectivelly made hay....but in a way that would wire-up a system that would inevitably break down at some point in the future.

 

You had IMO, the double whammy of something that wouldn't really be effective throughout society and a ticking time bomb of sorts regards the foundation.

 

What you actually need is a double whammy of fully recognising that political correctness in the way we have tended to adopt it, doesn't work and that there is still a problem to address, but in a different way.

 

 

 

Fast forward to now, the bomb went off a few years ago now and societal divisions appeared between what is loosely termed as WOKE v New Facists (or whatever you want to call it). It's division and neither will win. At the sametime, the division will be exploited and  mostly, your Joe Punter on both sides will lose. 

 

To involve yourself in such a struggle is essentially a fools game.

It's a different more constructive game(plan) that is needed but then that would require a lot of things that are in short supply, including genuine leadership. 

 

 

I say all that, but a racist is still a racist and extreme political correctness, is an extreme that won't lead to anywhere good.

There are many who simply identify more with, let's say, anti-political correctness and IMO, there is a solid foundation to why they think as they do. But, there is a point, for a few, where they show themselves to cross a line of sorts.

 

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52 minutes ago, buster. said:

what is loosely termed as WOKE v New Facists

Woke is a term of self-praise invented by those who adhere to that way of thinking.

 

Those opposed to it are just old fashioned conservative (small 'c'), which includes traditional feminists (see the ongoing feminist vs trans debates) and many people who are lumped in with BAME - your use of the term 'new Fascists' sums up where you sit.

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"New fascists", wow if you ain't woke you're a "new fascist"?

 

That's seriously deranged, someone who listened to their biology teacher and understood the science because they know someone with a penis and testicles is a man and that gender isn't assigned by a doctor at birth but rather by nature in the womb is a "new fascist".

 

"Those whom the Gods wish to destroy first they make mad".

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Regards the term used, why get so hung up on that? I did add "call it what you like".

 

Whilst important in the wider world, generally I'm not particularly bothered how you term something on here, it won't alter how I see X or y. Even if I do make a point re terminology, I'll go beyond that. Disagree and as per 'invite', put forward an alternative. Then why not discuss the wider point?

 

This kind of helps illustrate where this all is and why on these types of issues, forums are a waste of energy/time. 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, buster. said:

Regards the term used, why get so hung up on that? I did add "call it what you like".

 

Whilst important in the wider world, generally I'm not particularly bothered how you term something on here, it won't alter how I see X or y. Even if I do make a point re terminology, I'll go beyond that. Disagree and as per 'invite', put forward an alternative. Then why not discuss the wider point?

 

This kind of helps illustrate where this all is and why on these types of issues, forums are a waste of energy/time. 

 

 

 

 

I digress, you're fully aware of the connotations of labeling someone a fascist.

 

All you're doing here is exposing your own hypocrisy and demonstrating that you are in fact the very thing you profess to despise.

 

The lockdown and associated shit is clearly affecting your state of mind, seek help in one form or another before it's too late for your own sake.

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