Jump to content

 

 

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, ranger_syntax said:

The number of Republicans that voted to impeach is irrelevant.

 

There is a majority of Democrats in the house of representatives.

 

I wouldn't consider them votes for survival.  The medium term prospects for the Republican party are very uncertain in the event of a conviction.  It could allow them to move on.  Alternatively it could infuriate tens of millions of the electorate.

Yes, talk of a Republican schism is very real and I suppose will depend on what happens next.

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, Uilleam said:

You don't know what the law is; you don't whether or not it has been broken; you have no idea of the evidence which has emerged, and will emerge from the federal investigation, and you don't know what the charges will entail; but you are willing to opine on the judicial process and its outcome.

I think that you may be underestimating how seriously the Authorities (Executive/Administration, Legislature, and Judicary) view this. A lot of citizens seem to view this seriously, too. 

I don't suppose that 'coup' will figure in any arraignment. I think there will be unusual charges like 'Sedition', and 'Insurrection', along with murder, and sundry more, relatively minor, infractions. 

I will be interested to see who the Federal Authorities eventually charge, and with what. 

 

I expect there to be a full Inquiry. I'll be surprised if there isn't. I do not think that this will impact on the day to day running of government. Did The Warren Commission (as it is known) significantly, or materially, affect LBJ's Presidency?

If there is a full Inquiry,  I do expect that its findings, and any recommendations, will influence policy, and practice.

 

Yep, nobody does at the moment, except elements in the US media whose threat hyperinflation seem to be driving the aftermath story.

 

What ever the evidence they are gathering will have to be more than just the overblown responses being pushed that is all they seem to have at the moment.  Flag waving, sitting in chairs, selfies all being witnessed by the accompanying CNN news give no basis for sedition charges. 

 

   

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, ChelseaBoy said:

Yep, nobody does at the moment, except elements in the US media whose threat hyperinflation seem to be driving the aftermath story.

 

What ever the evidence they are gathering will have to be more than just the overblown responses being pushed that is all they seem to have at the moment.  Flag waving, sitting in chairs, selfies all being witnessed by the accompanying CNN news give no basis for sedition charges. 

 

   

I think that there will be a lot more evidence than that: eg from Police, from Lawmakers, from staff, for a start. 

I think also, that given the nature, and high profile of the events, and the inevitable media interest, the FBI, and any other law enforcement agencies involved, will require to employ the finest of fine toothed combs. 

Whatever charges emerge will be under Federal Law, and may have more serious import than the members of the mob anticipated. 

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I came across this from the Conservative opinion website "American Thinker". 

 

Dominion is the Company which manufactures voting machines. It is currently suing the lawyer, Sydney Powell. (See below)

 

January 15, 2021

Statement

By Thomas Lifson

We received a lengthy letter from Dominion's defamation lawyers explaining why they believe that their client has been the victim of defamatory statements.  Having considered the full import of the letter, we have agreed to their request that we publish the following statement:

 

American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc. Dominion Voting Systems, Inc. and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively “Dominion”) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominion’s supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominion’s machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.

These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.

It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error. 



Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/statement.html#ixzz6jhqF078x
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

 

 

Dominion Voting Sues Sidney Powell For Defamation Over Election Conspiracy—And Others May Be Next

Alison DurkeeForbes Staff

Business

Updated Jan 8, 2021, 10:50am EST

 

Dominion Voting Systems filed a lawsuit against former Trump campaign legal advisor Sidney Powell Friday for defamation and deceptive trade practices, after the attorney promoted a “false preconceived narrative” tying the company’s voting machines to widespread election fraud, which the company confirmed will be the first in a “series” of lawsuits targeting Trump allies who have spread the baseless claims—and potentially the president himself.

 

KEY FACTS

Powell is largely responsible for spreading the far-right conspiracy theory claiming Dominion voting machines helped to fraudulently elect President-elect Joe Biden.

Powell “doubled down” on the false fraud narrative after Dominion sent the attorney a cease and desist letter in December demanding she retract her “knowingly baseless” claims, the lawsuit notes, prompting the company to file the litigation.

 

Dominion’s lawsuit notes there are “mountains of direct evidence” disproving Powell’s election fraud claims about the company’s machines—which were actually used in many counties that voted for President Donald Trump—and Powell’s lawsuits involving the fraud claims have all failed in court due to lack of evidence.

 

As a result of Powell’s allegedly defamatory statements, the lawsuit argues, “Dominion’s founder, Dominion’s employees, Georgia’s governor, and Georgia’s secretary of state have been harassed and have received death threats, and Dominion has suffered enormous harm.”

 

The lawsuit details at least 40 separate instances of allegedly false and defamatory statements Powell has made that Dominion alleges were made with “actual malice,” with Dominion attorney Thomas Clare telling reporters Friday “it is hard to imagine defamation on a broader scale that has been deeper or more damaging” than this case.

 

Powell has not yet responded to a request for comment on the filing.

 

CRUCIAL QUOTE

“Lies were told about government election officials, elections workers, and Dominion Voting Systems. Those lies have consequences,” Dominion CEO John Poulos said in a statement. “Today is the first step to restore our good name and faith in elections by holding those responsible to account. We intend to pursue justice vigorously to its rightful end.”

 

BIG NUMBER

$1.3 billion. That’s how much Dominion is initially requesting in damages from Powell, which Clare said Friday was likely a “conservative” estimate given the alleged harm against Dominion is still ongoing. Dominion is also asking the court to grant a “a narrowly tailored permanent injunction” ordering the removal of any of Powell’s statements that are found to be false and defamatory, and block Powell from making any further defamatory claims about the company.

 

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

While going after Powell was Dominion’s first priority, Clare confirmed Friday the company will file subsequent lawsuits against others who have spread the conspiracy theory. Dominion has sent letters warning of potential litigation to the White House, Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and a number of Trump-allied individuals, including his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo, conservative attorney Lin Wood and Melissa Carone, who Giuliani has pushed as a witness to the purported election fraud.

 

The Powell lawsuit is the “first in a series of legal actions that Dominion will be taking,” Clare told reporters Friday. The attorney noted that subsequent litigation—which is expected to be filed in the “near term” while the litigation against Powell is still pending—will likely include right-wing media outlets who have promoted the false claims, and Clare did not rule out that the company could sue Trump himself.

 

KEY BACKGROUND

Dominion’s lawsuit comes after employee Eric Coomer had already sued the Trump campaign, Powell, Giuliani and other allies for defamation separately in December, which is currently pending.

Powell’s promotion of the Dominion conspiracy theory has been controversial even within the president’s orbit: the Trump campaign distanced itself from the attorney after she began spreading the Dominion fraud claims, and though Powell reportedly continued to visit the White House and have the president’s ear—Trump reportedly even considered appointing her as special counsel to investigate election fraud—Powell later claimed she had been banned from speaking with the president entirely. Powell’s theories have gained traction on the far right, however, as well as with Trump, who recently repeated false claims about the voting machines during a recent phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/08/dominion-voting-sues-sidney-powell-for-defamation-over-election-conspiracy-theory/?sh=6d6f34bb20f2

Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Uilleam said:

I came across this from the Conservative opinion website "American Thinker". 

 

Dominion is the Company which manufactures voting machines. It is currently suing the lawyer, Sydney Powell. (See below)

 

January 15, 2021

Statement

By Thomas Lifson

We received a lengthy letter from Dominion's defamation lawyers explaining why they believe that their client has been the victim of defamatory statements.  Having considered the full import of the letter, we have agreed to their request that we publish the following statement:

 

American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc. Dominion Voting Systems, Inc. and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively “Dominion”) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominion’s supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominion’s machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.

These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.

It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error. 



Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/statement.html#ixzz6jhqF078x
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

 

 

Dominion Voting Sues Sidney Powell For Defamation Over Election Conspiracy—And Others May Be Next

Alison DurkeeForbes Staff

Business

Updated Jan 8, 2021, 10:50am EST

 

Dominion Voting Systems filed a lawsuit against former Trump campaign legal advisor Sidney Powell Friday for defamation and deceptive trade practices, after the attorney promoted a “false preconceived narrative” tying the company’s voting machines to widespread election fraud, which the company confirmed will be the first in a “series” of lawsuits targeting Trump allies who have spread the baseless claims—and potentially the president himself.

 

KEY FACTS

Powell is largely responsible for spreading the far-right conspiracy theory claiming Dominion voting machines helped to fraudulently elect President-elect Joe Biden.

Powell “doubled down” on the false fraud narrative after Dominion sent the attorney a cease and desist letter in December demanding she retract her “knowingly baseless” claims, the lawsuit notes, prompting the company to file the litigation.

 

Dominion’s lawsuit notes there are “mountains of direct evidence” disproving Powell’s election fraud claims about the company’s machines—which were actually used in many counties that voted for President Donald Trump—and Powell’s lawsuits involving the fraud claims have all failed in court due to lack of evidence.

 

As a result of Powell’s allegedly defamatory statements, the lawsuit argues, “Dominion’s founder, Dominion’s employees, Georgia’s governor, and Georgia’s secretary of state have been harassed and have received death threats, and Dominion has suffered enormous harm.”

 

The lawsuit details at least 40 separate instances of allegedly false and defamatory statements Powell has made that Dominion alleges were made with “actual malice,” with Dominion attorney Thomas Clare telling reporters Friday “it is hard to imagine defamation on a broader scale that has been deeper or more damaging” than this case.

 

Powell has not yet responded to a request for comment on the filing.

 

CRUCIAL QUOTE

“Lies were told about government election officials, elections workers, and Dominion Voting Systems. Those lies have consequences,” Dominion CEO John Poulos said in a statement. “Today is the first step to restore our good name and faith in elections by holding those responsible to account. We intend to pursue justice vigorously to its rightful end.”

 

BIG NUMBER

$1.3 billion. That’s how much Dominion is initially requesting in damages from Powell, which Clare said Friday was likely a “conservative” estimate given the alleged harm against Dominion is still ongoing. Dominion is also asking the court to grant a “a narrowly tailored permanent injunction” ordering the removal of any of Powell’s statements that are found to be false and defamatory, and block Powell from making any further defamatory claims about the company.

 

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

While going after Powell was Dominion’s first priority, Clare confirmed Friday the company will file subsequent lawsuits against others who have spread the conspiracy theory. Dominion has sent letters warning of potential litigation to the White House, Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and a number of Trump-allied individuals, including his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo, conservative attorney Lin Wood and Melissa Carone, who Giuliani has pushed as a witness to the purported election fraud.

 

The Powell lawsuit is the “first in a series of legal actions that Dominion will be taking,” Clare told reporters Friday. The attorney noted that subsequent litigation—which is expected to be filed in the “near term” while the litigation against Powell is still pending—will likely include right-wing media outlets who have promoted the false claims, and Clare did not rule out that the company could sue Trump himself.

 

KEY BACKGROUND

Dominion’s lawsuit comes after employee Eric Coomer had already sued the Trump campaign, Powell, Giuliani and other allies for defamation separately in December, which is currently pending.

Powell’s promotion of the Dominion conspiracy theory has been controversial even within the president’s orbit: the Trump campaign distanced itself from the attorney after she began spreading the Dominion fraud claims, and though Powell reportedly continued to visit the White House and have the president’s ear—Trump reportedly even considered appointing her as special counsel to investigate election fraud—Powell later claimed she had been banned from speaking with the president entirely. Powell’s theories have gained traction on the far right, however, as well as with Trump, who recently repeated false claims about the voting machines during a recent phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/08/dominion-voting-sues-sidney-powell-for-defamation-over-election-conspiracy-theory/?sh=6d6f34bb20f2

America is the home of litigation when I lived there stories of one suing someone or some company were every day things 

Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, craig said:

Why would his family socially distance ?  Are they not part of the same bubble - I am not sure of the requirements in the US but throwing in "non-socially distanced" just seems to be a poor jibe at him.  Seems you are suggesting he watched it unfold as he knew there would be sedition/insurrection - whereas it could just as easily be that he expected them to do as he had requested and "peacefully march on the Capitol and make our voices heard".

 

The FBI predicted attacks that day, this much is true.  Why then did the Democratic mayor of DC refuse assistance from the National Guard when it was offered prior to, and during, the march on the Hill ?  Why is it that social media oligarchs such as Twitter and Instagram, as well as hosting services like Amazon, aren't banning Facebook from their platforms considering that it was known weeks in advance that Antifa/BLM would be participating in the protests and that they were actively being encouraged by leaders to "look like Trump supporters - wear a MAGA baseball cap etc etc" ?  If Facebook were allowing people to be part of the organized protest which turned fatal then why aren't they being admonished ?

 

There is much to this story and Trump most certainly has to accept that he may have been somewhat culpable - though to what extent is debatable given what he said in his speech - it can't go without saying that it is highly likely, and indeed seems to have been proven with the involvement of John Sullivan, that not all of it stacks up as being pro-Trump.

 

One thing for sure - democracy in the US, if there even is one, is dying on its last legs.  The real power in the US are the big tech oligarchs.  Trump may be a reprehensible person but its a joke when Twitter bans him permanently whilst people like Khomeini, Putin and the CCP still are allowed completely unfettered posting on their social media site.  

 

Politicians are all a shower of shite IMO.

On your final point, absolutely!

 

But with regards to the party and John Sullivan, I’ll link you to the video I watched and an article about the veracity of the claim that BLM/Antifa were involved in the capitol madness so that folks can judge for themselves. 
 


 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.upworthy.com/amp/john-sullivan-capitol-riot-not-blm-2649955338

 

with regards to the conduct of the Mayor, I have no opinion but clearly they weren’t sufficiently prepared for what unfolded and that deserves some scrutiny.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Uilleam said:

I came across this from the Conservative opinion website "American Thinker". 

 

Dominion is the Company which manufactures voting machines. It is currently suing the lawyer, Sydney Powell. (See below)

 

January 15, 2021

Statement

By Thomas Lifson

We received a lengthy letter from Dominion's defamation lawyers explaining why they believe that their client has been the victim of defamatory statements.  Having considered the full import of the letter, we have agreed to their request that we publish the following statement:

 

American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc. Dominion Voting Systems, Inc. and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively “Dominion”) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominion’s supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominion’s machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.

These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.

It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error. 



Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/statement.html#ixzz6jhqF078x
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

 

 

Dominion Voting Sues Sidney Powell For Defamation Over Election Conspiracy—And Others May Be Next

Alison DurkeeForbes Staff

Business

Updated Jan 8, 2021, 10:50am EST

 

Dominion Voting Systems filed a lawsuit against former Trump campaign legal advisor Sidney Powell Friday for defamation and deceptive trade practices, after the attorney promoted a “false preconceived narrative” tying the company’s voting machines to widespread election fraud, which the company confirmed will be the first in a “series” of lawsuits targeting Trump allies who have spread the baseless claims—and potentially the president himself.

 

KEY FACTS

Powell is largely responsible for spreading the far-right conspiracy theory claiming Dominion voting machines helped to fraudulently elect President-elect Joe Biden.

Powell “doubled down” on the false fraud narrative after Dominion sent the attorney a cease and desist letter in December demanding she retract her “knowingly baseless” claims, the lawsuit notes, prompting the company to file the litigation.

 

Dominion’s lawsuit notes there are “mountains of direct evidence” disproving Powell’s election fraud claims about the company’s machines—which were actually used in many counties that voted for President Donald Trump—and Powell’s lawsuits involving the fraud claims have all failed in court due to lack of evidence.

 

As a result of Powell’s allegedly defamatory statements, the lawsuit argues, “Dominion’s founder, Dominion’s employees, Georgia’s governor, and Georgia’s secretary of state have been harassed and have received death threats, and Dominion has suffered enormous harm.”

 

The lawsuit details at least 40 separate instances of allegedly false and defamatory statements Powell has made that Dominion alleges were made with “actual malice,” with Dominion attorney Thomas Clare telling reporters Friday “it is hard to imagine defamation on a broader scale that has been deeper or more damaging” than this case.

 

Powell has not yet responded to a request for comment on the filing.

 

CRUCIAL QUOTE

“Lies were told about government election officials, elections workers, and Dominion Voting Systems. Those lies have consequences,” Dominion CEO John Poulos said in a statement. “Today is the first step to restore our good name and faith in elections by holding those responsible to account. We intend to pursue justice vigorously to its rightful end.”

 

BIG NUMBER

$1.3 billion. That’s how much Dominion is initially requesting in damages from Powell, which Clare said Friday was likely a “conservative” estimate given the alleged harm against Dominion is still ongoing. Dominion is also asking the court to grant a “a narrowly tailored permanent injunction” ordering the removal of any of Powell’s statements that are found to be false and defamatory, and block Powell from making any further defamatory claims about the company.

 

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

While going after Powell was Dominion’s first priority, Clare confirmed Friday the company will file subsequent lawsuits against others who have spread the conspiracy theory. Dominion has sent letters warning of potential litigation to the White House, Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and a number of Trump-allied individuals, including his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo, conservative attorney Lin Wood and Melissa Carone, who Giuliani has pushed as a witness to the purported election fraud.

 

The Powell lawsuit is the “first in a series of legal actions that Dominion will be taking,” Clare told reporters Friday. The attorney noted that subsequent litigation—which is expected to be filed in the “near term” while the litigation against Powell is still pending—will likely include right-wing media outlets who have promoted the false claims, and Clare did not rule out that the company could sue Trump himself.

 

KEY BACKGROUND

Dominion’s lawsuit comes after employee Eric Coomer had already sued the Trump campaign, Powell, Giuliani and other allies for defamation separately in December, which is currently pending.

Powell’s promotion of the Dominion conspiracy theory has been controversial even within the president’s orbit: the Trump campaign distanced itself from the attorney after she began spreading the Dominion fraud claims, and though Powell reportedly continued to visit the White House and have the president’s ear—Trump reportedly even considered appointing her as special counsel to investigate election fraud—Powell later claimed she had been banned from speaking with the president entirely. Powell’s theories have gained traction on the far right, however, as well as with Trump, who recently repeated false claims about the voting machines during a recent phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/08/dominion-voting-sues-sidney-powell-for-defamation-over-election-conspiracy-theory/?sh=6d6f34bb20f2

I'm not sure this deserves much credence. Dominion may be right in what it says but on the other hand if it doesn't say it then it might as well close its doors.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Bill said:

I'm not sure this deserves much credence. Dominion may be right in what it says but on the other hand if it doesn't say it then it might as well close its doors.

If it's not right, ie if incontrovertible proof exists and may be demonstrated, then why agree to publish an apology?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Uilleam said:

If it's not right, ie if incontrovertible proof exists and may be demonstrated, then why agree to publish an apology?

Sadly, not all valid proof is incontrovertible. Nor can all crime be proven. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.