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21 minutes ago, DMAA said:

The reason for this is pretty simple. The left cannot bear the ongoing Tory rule in the UK. Labour have only been in power for 13 of the last 42 years (30%). Of course that was with their most right wing leader of all time. What’s worse, they have just suffered their biggest defeat since the 30s.
 

Even going way back as far back as 1922, the left’s time in power only rises to 35%. That is the single biggest issue for the independence supporting Rangers fans I know. They want a socialist utopia because they can’t put the blasted Guardian down. 

You only have to glance at the Guardian's attacks on Corbyn to see that it is an illusion that it is a left newspaper - liberal at best. The current Labour incarnation is but a pale shadow of the Tory party in Westminster. As such, it is likely to fare even worse than the Corbyn version, with formerly safe seats like Hartlepool falling to the Tories. The current SNP government is anything but a substitute for the old Keir Hardie Labour Party; in fact it is very much a supporter of free enterprise (who owns Scotrail? ). When I was growing up it was normal for a working class Protestant to support Rangers and vote Labour. The SNP are wolves in sheep's clothing and that may explain the lack of enthusiasm for indy. A genuine British socialist and unionist Labour Party would, I suspect, hoover up a huge amount of current SNP support. Matters are complicated further because the Scottish Branch Office of Labour has always been (at least since the nineties) even more right wing than UK Labour.  

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8 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

A genuine British socialist and unionist Labour Party would, I suspect, hoover up a huge amount of current SNP support

I’m not convinced by this at all. They can’t see past the fact that a large amount of the political decisions affecting us will continue to be made by Conservatives if we remain in the UK. 

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2 minutes ago, DMAA said:

I’m not convinced by this at all. They can’t see past the fact that a large amount of the political decisions affecting us will continue to be made by Conservatives if we remain in the UK. 

Then again, that is not certain either. There has been an erosion of support in the southern Tory 'blue wall.' Living in England I don't see the Conservative swing as permanent. They only gained 300k more votes after the last election, despite the biggest ever campaign against and character assassination of one man.

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34 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

I think that's the same as everyone else on this thread.

Quite.

 

There's a difference between being a decent, sensible person and bending over for that lot.

 

Bears who want to bend over are as much use as a knackered lift, in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, PoohBear said:

I have bought into not doing things that are racist or sectarian, yes.

Good for you. You’ll have your reward in heaven. 

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