ChelseaBoy 2,057 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 16 hours ago, Idisi said: Well, the same countries that stand at the side of Banderastan. Neither is new. New is a horror scenario for the forced-conscripts, Chechens and Wagner fighting alongside one another: Putin has run out of conscripts himself and now has to pay mercenary groups to fight on the front line. I wonder if this was part of the plan, when the glorious convoy was rolling on its way to Kyiv? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idisi 202 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 19 hours ago, ChelseaBoy said: Putin has run out of conscripts himself and now has to pay mercenary groups to fight on the front line. I wonder if this was part of the plan, when the glorious convoy was rolling on its way to Kyiv? And that is the information you get from whom exactly. The conscripts-mantra is being told since the beginning of the war. It has been debunked every single time. There is neither shortage in volunteers nor contract soldiers. And it is obvious that mercenaries as professional soldiers with most experience are used too. The Ukrainian (!) telegram channels are full with forced-conscription from all over the country. Have you seen them? Maybe you take a look at the population and army figures of Russia and start to think by yourself, instead of repeating mantras? Only 1/3 of your country believes what the News tell them. Join the majority! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty 1,782 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 16 minutes ago, Idisi said: And that is the information you get from whom exactly. The conscripts-mantra is being told since the beginning of the war. It has been debunked every single time. There is neither shortage in volunteers nor contract soldiers. And it is obvious that mercenaries as professional soldiers with most experience are used too. The Ukrainian (!) telegram channels are full with forced-conscription from all over the country. Have you seen them? Maybe you take a look at the population and army figures of Russia and start to think by yourself, instead of repeating mantras? Only 1/3 of your country believes what the News tell them. Join the majority! What percentage of the Russian population trust what their media say? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 12,843 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 17 minutes ago, Idisi said: And that is the information you get from whom exactly. The conscripts-mantra is being told since the beginning of the war. It has been debunked every single time. There is neither shortage in volunteers nor contract soldiers. And it is obvious that mercenaries as professional soldiers with most experience are used too. The Ukrainian (!) telegram channels are full with forced-conscription from all over the country. Have you seen them? Maybe you take a look at the population and army figures of Russia and start to think by yourself, instead of repeating mantras? Only 1/3 of your country believes what the News tell them. Join the majority! The strange and mysterious workings of your mind never fails to entertain. Are you saying that a general lack of trust in "the news" is evidence that a specific news item must be false? Or are you trying to say that there is very little trust in any news coming out of Russia or Ukraine? Or is your diagram simply saying there is zero trust in either Russia or Ukraine of any news, including their own? But most importantly, are you saying that the media distributing the news is more or less untrustworthy in different countries ... or that the audiences are more or less gullible from country to country? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 12,843 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 4 minutes ago, stewarty said: What percentage of the Russian population trust what their media say? Surely that's for the Kremlin to decide. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 2,873 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 5 hours ago, stewarty said: What percentage of the Russian population trust what their media say? I would say it is hard to tell, well, Reuters, in this case, obviously had all their reporters evaluating reports by dissidents and hapless Russian soldiers close to the front. Which "can all be verified by independent sources, of course ..." Speaking of which, Western reporters can travel far and wide in Russia (so much for the constraints of the media in Russia), we constantly get this or that report from German MSM folk running the streets of Moscow, St. Petersburg or even Vladivostok. Talking to various people, who, shock horror, are mainly pro-SMO and the way Putin handles matters. Much to the dismay of the reporters, who end the clips by telling the German public that "Russians obviously don't tell everything to a camera ... but in private they all hate Putin and Co.!!!" Dysfunctional Reality Perception runs deep in the Western media, so they need to twist everything to their agenda, or their own small house of cards implodes. @Idisi ... this whole conscript and Kiev thing has been done to death here (so above a reply to Scott7). It simply does not compute with some folk who have obviously no military knowledge, a simple understanding of strategy and tactics, as well as the will to read all information that is available and get to a reasonable conclusion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaBoy 2,057 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 6 hours ago, stewarty said: What percentage of the Russian population trust what their media say? He and dB are waiting to be told how many trust Russian media. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 12,843 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, der Berliner said: @Idisi ... this whole conscript and Kiev thing has been done to death here (so above a reply to Scott7). It simply does not compute with some folk who have obviously no military knowledge, a simple understanding of strategy and tactics, as well as the will to read all information that is available and get to a reasonable conclusion. Outstanding display of arrogance and self-assumed superiority. Is it a German thing? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 4,533 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, der Berliner said: Idisi ... this whole conscript and Kiev thing has been done to death here (so above a reply to Scott7). It simply does not compute with some folk who have obviously no military knowledge, a simple understanding of strategy and tactics, as well as the will to read all information that is available and get to a reasonable conclusion. How much military knowledge do you need to know that the Russian attempt to accomplish the aims of their special military operation within a short timeframe failed? Don’t give us eight paragraphs on how Russia cleverly got rid of a large surplus of obsolete military hardware (yet still top of the range of course it being Russian and not chesp NATO tat) leaving the Ukrainians with the massive logistical problem of disposal at huge cost. Ukraine on its own won’t defeat Russia and recover Crimea. At best it will hold its line. Once you comprehend that, you will be able to relax and not worry about things so much. For what it’s worth, I would be astonished if anyone in the West cared tuppence about Crimea. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,498 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 7 hours ago, stewarty said: What percentage of the Russian population trust what their media say? wot abaaht rusha 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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