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On 17/06/2022 at 11:16, ranger_syntax said:

 

:thinking:

 

How did we end up here?

You would think there would be a strong diplomatic push to reach a compromise between Ukraine and Russia.

 

There is a 'surprising' appetite to let it continue whilst adding fuel to the fire.

 

Added to continuing war casualties, this winter could see many people in the West suffer badly...not to mention

the impending economic crash.

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On 17/06/2022 at 10:16, ranger_syntax said:

 

:thinking:

 

How did we end up here?

Thats similar to what Theoden said in LOTR as the Uruk Hai descended on Helms Deep. :) 

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2 hours ago, buster. said:

You would think there would be a strong diplomatic push to reach a compromise between Ukraine and Russia.

There is a 'surprising' appetite to let it continue whilst adding fuel to the fire.

There certainly seems to be a colossal appetite in the Kremlin for continuing a war that it alone started. 

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1 hour ago, stewarty said:

Appeasing Putin is what got us to this point.  I’m afraid much stronger and more concerted effort is needed by the west to stop him. And if we don’t do it now, it won’t be long till his next target will be in focus and it’ll be much longer and more expensive to get rid of him.   

With Lithuania now closing the rail corridor to Kaliningrad we might not need to wait long for Russia’s next target to emerge. 

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28 minutes ago, Bill said:

With Lithuania now closing the rail corridor to Kaliningrad we might not need to wait long for Russia’s next target to emerge. 

Such provocation!

 

That would certainly test NATO’s mettle.  

 

 

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32 minutes ago, stewarty said:

Such provocation!

 

That would certainly test NATO’s mettle.  

You might say the real provocation is a highly militarised Russian enclave whose primary function is to locate weaponry in the middle of NATO territory. I mean, if having a threatening neighbour right up to your borders is such a Kremlin no-no ....

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13 minutes ago, Bill said:

You might say the real provocation is a highly militarised Russian enclave whose primary function is to locate weaponry in the middle of NATO territory. I mean, if having a threatening neighbour right up to your borders is such a Kremlin no-no ....

You wouldn’t be suggesting that Russia/Putin is full of shit, would you?

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9 hours ago, stewarty said:

Appeasing Putin is what got us to this point.  I’m afraid much stronger and more concerted effort is needed by the west to stop him. And if we don’t do it now, it won’t be long till his next target will be in focus and it’ll be much longer and more expensive to get rid of him.   

I think you have consumed too much of the relentless propaganda that has been churned out and fail to see the bigger more complete picture.

 

This isn't about 'Goodies v Badies'. It is about two different versions of 'badies'.

 

The geo-politics behind it all, the ambitions, end games from all sides is open for discussion....if you value truth and the lot of the ordinary citizen, whether from Kiev or Kilmarnock.

 

A general point. Disagree, fine but the ridicule or McCarthy like finger pointing doesn't do anyone any good. 

 

Back to this thread...

There should be concerted efforts to mitigate the economic consequences that are coming down the road.

 

If you think poking the Bear with an ever bigger stick will work out well for us all, then I disagree.

 

If you think Putin is behind an upcoming Project for Russian domination....I don't agree.

 

The Russians don't want missiles aimed at them in bordering countries. There are long-term red lines we are crossing. 

 

Get the diplomatic efforts underway to find a solution and avert more death and misery (for all). Trying to take on Russia and what that could lead to is highly irresponsible.

 

Why is there such an appetite to further this conflict ? A question to ask of all sides.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, stewarty said:

You wouldn’t be suggesting that Russia/Putin is full of shit, would you?

He doesn't have the exclusive on that.

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