Charloch
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Well done GersNet on the freedom of speech front. I posted the same message that started this thread on Follow Follow and they had me banned from the site within ten minutes. Kudos to you. I only wanted to start a debate.
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12 hours ago, MacK1950 said:
Is the topic poster from a different planet or a plant stirring things up?.
Neither. The Charter promotes an agenda that is destructive of the dignity and rights of women. Rangers have many female supporters. Promoting trans rights means vitiating women’s rights. It’s a zero sum game. If the club wants to position itself in alliance with such a subversive agenda it ought to expect rigourous questioning of the policy. What does the Charter mean for female-only spaces in Ibrox Stadium, for instance? Rangers are throwing female supporters under the bus by endorsing trans rights. Of course, they are not alone in this.
As far as BLM goes, many Rangers supporters gave their lives to fight the kind of fascism BLM espouses. We are rightly proud of the role our armed forces play in the life of our country, and we celebrate this at Ibrox. You can’t affirm respect for our forces and take the knee for BLM at the same time. It is right to support the Kick it Out campaign. Racism has no part in football. Neither does the kind of Marxist fascism BLM espouse and enforce.
Being anti-women and pro-fascism wouldn’t be a good look. Many women are waking up to the implications of the trans agenda. For instance, my wife wouldn’t patronise a business that promotes a pro-trans agenda. She isn’t a bigot. She is a woman who understands. It isn’t an abstract theoretical question. Chasing woke points has real-world consequences.
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I've asked the Supporter Liaison Officer to clarify the following with respect to Rangers Diversity and Inclusion Charter:
• Can you inform me how Rangers intend to implement the strategy with respect to trans status people without impinging in any way on the sex-based rights of female supporters?
• Can you confirm what Rangers’ position is with respect to Black Lives Matters? BLM as an organisation asserts that all white persons by virtue of their ethnicity and their ethnicity alone are guilty of racism. This is itself self-evidently a racist proposition. Consequently, BLM must fall necessarily outside of the terms and scope of Rangers’ own DIC.2 -
The SPFL statement is blatant gas-lighting - trying to blame Rangers for the SPFL provoked crisis Scottish football now finds itself in. It further reads as being deliberately provocative - like they are trying to goad the Rangers Board into acting hastily and making a mistake. A time for cool heads and dry powder. IThe Board have approached this in an exemplary manner thus far. By not disclosing the evidence they are forcing the SPFL to act in an increasingly self-incriminatory manner. You can smell the panic, indeed the fear. The resort to those who have died with Coronavirus is utterly contemptible. Elementary principles of justice aren't suspended by any pandemic.
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We each have a binary choice, concede the ninth title to Celtic on its present terms or reject its validity. We will either endorse it or refute it through our use of language. Rangers fans talking in terms of stopping 10IAR are already vindicating the malfeasance of the SPFL.
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2 hours ago, Bill said:
Are you suggesting we create our own private narrative or pretending there is a cat's chance in hell of dictating a wider narrative? Don't you think the other side has shown itself adept at establishing their own narrative, in the sure knowledge that the media will cement it in the wider public before you can spell "gifted". Maybe we can just use language freely in any way we choose, without yet another set of directives about how the speak or think - tu ne pense pas?
It's not about creating a private narrative, it is about reflecting what is true. A title awarded is not a title won. Not to challenge that narrative is to be complicit in the deceit. Whether the language I use establishes a wider narrative is irrelevant to me. What is important is what it true. Buying into and conceding that next season is about stopping 10IAR is to participate in the lie. We can choose to do so or not to do so. I am not prepared to do so.
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12 minutes ago, Bill said:
You've nailed that perfectly. Title number nine will be held up as their greatest ever achievement.
In this the language we choose to use matters tremendously. Narratives become established only when those who are seeking to impose them succeed in defining the terms. It is significant that some Rangers fans are already speaking in terms of stopping 10IAR. That is an absolutely fatal mistake. Nothing can be conceded in even the smallest point of language by Rangers fans to this narrative. Let the rest of the world call it what they want, Rangers fans must continue to refer to is as nothing less than a title gifted through corruption and abuse of process. It will not be won, it will be awarded. No quarter can be given in this. The best antidote to narrative is truth. We have the truth on our side. Let them dissemble all they want, the facts will never change.
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My own course of action is going to be fairly straightforward: any gloating from any Celtic fan about any future trophy win will be met with the stock response - it doesn’t count because you only won it due to the moral and financial platform afforded your club through covering up systematic and institutional child abuse in violation of victims’ rights over a period of decades. I might at two words if necessary: direct benefit.
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2 hours ago, PoohBear said:
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The BBC have rigged the possession stats for the last two league home games. 50-50 when Rangers dominated all other metrics.
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It’s Orwellian. Truth is inverted, history re-imagined in our poisonous little Leftist totalitarian backwater. Any Rangers fans out there who voted SNP? Shame.
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12 minutes ago, barca72 said:
Still think it's a good idea? Until CFC are proven beyond a shadow of doubt in a court of law to be responsible for their employees' conduct, then we are better keeping our distance.
Club Ceasing to Operate, Participate in and/or be a Member of the League
C50 If, for any reason and during or after any Season, any Club ceases to operate or participate in or to be member of the League or any Play-Off Competition, its playing record in the League and/or any Play-Off Competitions may be expunged by the Board and/or the Board may determine the deemed score in the remainder of its Official Matches and/or the Board may take such steps and make such determinations as to League and Divisional position and/or promotion and/or relegation and participation and/or results in and outcome of any Play-Off Competition and/or any other Competition operated by the Company and any and all such further or other steps or measures as the Board shall consider appropriate in the circumstances.
It’s a bit like doing business with China. You do the right thing and it will cost you. We turn aside our gaze from the concentration camps and the persecution and trade with them anyway. That’s the way of life, apparently. I was merely asserting what I would do. I don’t run Rangers so it’s not really an issue. The SFA have concluded that no club can deny responsibility for the actions of employees of their youth teams. That much is fact. Celtic are accountable. Celtic are on the hook for this morally, whatever a court of law may decide, though I don’t have much faith in our courts these days.
I don’t decide Britain’s trade policy either. Maybe just as well for the economy.....
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10 minutes ago, compo said:
A full independent police investigation is needed but we all know it will never happen
It might not. But we can delegitimise Celtic’s title and trophy successes over the relevant period. Personally I would refuse to play them until they accept moral responsibility for the cover-up of institutional child-abuse.
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http://www.celticfc.net/news/7131
I remembered this yesterday. A gesture now revealed as being as worthless as a Papal indulgence. The abusers feigning concern for children. This is a morally disgusting institution. Every trophy they have won without acknowledging responsibility and compensating survivors is tainted. (Hmmm, “tainted titles,” where have I heard that before....?) This fact should be asserted aggressively and persistently.
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It occurred to me in watching the first half performance of the referee last night that Rangers may suffer differential treatment from Catholic referees in Europe now we have a name for sectarianism.
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Seems to me this situation is a function of political Leftism. Leftists always excuse in their own what they demonise in others. Therefore expressions of intolerance and hatred, such as support for the IRA or Palestinian terror groups, is framed as legitimate political expression, whereas expressions of intolerance and hatred from other, non-Leftist, groups are framed as antisocial and necessitating punishment. We should not be surprised that Celtic, a Leftist club, are defended and exonerated by the establishment, whereas Rangers, a team traditionally of the political right (not the Far Right as Leftists frame all their political opponents) should be targeted for sanctions. The Left have never played fair, they cannot play fair, fairness is not in their DNA. The Left are hypocrites. That doesn’t help Rangers, but we’d better understand the paradigm we are dealing with. Leftists dominate Scottish public, political, media and cultural life. We are the enemy. It ain’t fair, but it’s where we are. They are coming after us so we’d better box clever. Very clever.
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Concerned that Rangers’ female supporters are being thrown under the bus by the club in their endorsing of the gender identity agenda. This woke nonsense impresses no one but the politicians.
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