The RST found it's role at last?

[maineflyer 0]

Martin Bain says "supporters groups" have "flagged up worries over the conduct of some fans". This appears to refer to certain songs being sung but our Chief Exec doesn't seem able to add facts to vague accusations.

 

Which songs and .... more importantly, which supporters groups. Take your pick, is the Assembly admonishing it's own members or is the team that brought you Andrew Messiah Ellis now exacting revenge by grassing up the hard core fan? Or does "supporters group" now include any sanctimonious twat with a pen and a stamp?

 

Why on earth did Martin ?Bain feel compelled to raise this particular issue at this time? Every cheap tabloid arse wipe is focussing on this today and deflecting from everything the team is achieving. Thanks Bain, you muppet.

Edited October 19, 2010 by maineflyer

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It was always going to come to this when TBB was brought back to Ibrox. It's been getting louder & louder and was great to hear it so clearly at the Motherwell game.

 

Bain simply shouldn't have brought it up because the club's position should be that they can't control what the fans want to sing. It's one thing to grudgingly tow the new PC line that's been drawn, but it's another thing entirely to stab yourself in the eye with a rusty fork.

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Personally, I doubt very much this is coming from any " supporters group". Much more likely that members of the ****** press have been pressuring our CEO and he has buckled at his predictably weak knee. There was nothing whatsoever to be gained from raising this. WTF is wrong with these people?

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Personally, I doubt very much this is coming from any " supporters group". Much more likely that members of the ****** press have been pressuring our CEO and he has buckled at his predictably weak knee.

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Slightly misleading thread title then...

[maineflyer 0]

Not really. "Supporters group" could reasonably lead you to the RST and these were Bain's words not mine, I just happen to think he's capable of making huge errors of judgement and deliberately misleading the fans.

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Not really. "Supporters group" could reasonably lead you to the RST and these were Bain's words not mine

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"Supporters group" in this case is far more likely to be the Assembly, so I disagree that it could reasonably lead you to the RST. That sort of leap only highlights that you're having another wee pop at the trust.

 

It's almost certainly the Assembly who Bain will be referring to & I think I can guess why - with the growing revival of TBB at Ibrox, there will be some squeeky bums at the club starting to worry about the Champions League games due to the UEFA Directive. Lifted from The Bluenose -

 

 

UEFA Directive

 

Assembly - UEFA Directive

 

CLARIFICATION

 

UEFA DIRECTIVES.

 

Villareal

 

Following the two UEFA Champions League fixtures against Villareal in February and March 2006, UEFA charged Rangers FC for being responsible for discriminatory chants sung by sections of their supporters at both matches, in particular, the ‘Billy Boys’ and ‘Fuck the Pope’.

 

Rangers challenged the charges and the UEFA Control & Disciplinary Body cleared the Club in April 2006.

 

UEFA appealed that decision and the Disciplinary Inspector called for the closure of parts of Ibrox stadium, as well as a CHF 35,000 fine. UEFA rules also allowed the consideration of forcing Rangers to play matches behind closed doors, as well as a stadium ban.

 

The UEFA Appeals Body investigated the case and again Rangers FC challenged all charges. The club was fined CHF 30,000 and the closure or partial closure of Ibrox stadium, as originally sought, was prevented. However, the Club was severely warned about its responsibility for the future conduct of supporters and a directive was issued which stated (in conjunction with the Judgment from the Appeals Body):

 

• ‘Fuck the Pope’ is discriminatory under UEFA rules

• The ‘Billy Boys’ is associated “with an attitude that is strongly sectarian and thus discriminatory”.

• The directive also instructed to the Club to implement a range of measures to demonstrate its continuing efforts to eradicate sectarianism, including the banning of supporters indulging in such behaviour, communication of anti-sectarian messages etc.

• UEFA made it clear that the singing of the Billy Boys was prohibited. Songs and chants that referred to ‘fuck the Pope’ and ‘******s’ were also condemned. The UEFA directive referred to the ‘ethos’ of its decision and said that a club such as Rangers should be in a position to encourage behaviour that would not jeopardise the club at domestic and international fixtures.

Osasuna

Following the UEFA Cup tie against Osasuna in March 2007, Rangers were fined 20,000 Swiss francs for “discriminatory singing” by its supporters. Osasuna was fined far more heavily due to the lack of security arrangements on the night.

 

UEFA specifically mentioned “No Pope in Rome”, “Fuck the Pope” and the Billy Boys as discriminatory singing and concluded the following:

 

“UEFA has to send a strong message that sectarianism is unacceptable within football, especially within UEFA competitions. If Rangers FC wishes to compete in UEFA competitions, they must combat this behaviour not only on the occasion of home matches but also on the occasion of away matches. These incidents are ascribable to Rangers FC in accordance with Article 6(1) RD and must be punished accordingly.”

 

Since that time, the Club has continued with informal liaison with UEFA and the Scottish football authorities and it is clear that the Club and its supporters are unlikely to be given the benefit of the doubt in the future should there be further incidents.

[maineflyer 0]

The real issue here is that, apparently, supporters groups are expressing concerns about supporter behaviour ... without supporters being aware that "their" groups are representing their views in this way. Of course, these groups remain able, if not exactly willing, to speak for themselves. No, on the whole, this smells more like the RST.

[Guest carson1912]

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"Supporters group" in this case is far more likely to be the Assembly, so I disagree that it could reasonably lead you to the RST. That sort of leap only highlights that you're having another wee pop at the trust.

 

It's almost certainly the Assembly who Bain will be referring to & I think I can guess why - with the growing revival of TBB at Ibrox, there will be some squeeky bums at the club starting to worry about the Champions League games due to the UEFA Directive. Lifted from The Bluenose -

 

Any idea what the source of that quote is ?

eg, where it came from?

I know where it was lifted from but where did they get it ?

because nothing like that was EVER posted on the UEFA website

 

Is it a newspaper report ? Do we believe everything in the tabloids

Is it a bheast fabrication ?

Who wrote it and where did they get their information from ?

[Guest carson1912]

Can UEFA not even spell the name of one of their member clubs properly

Villarreal is spelt as such

and not Villareal as in the fake publication above.

 

This was written on VB by Bouncy sometime ago when this FAKE publication from UEFA ? first raised it's head

 

After singing TBB in Villarreal on February 22nd 2006, Rangers and their fans were reported to UEFA for singing a discriminatory song. We were fined Ã?£13,300, ON APPEAL and told NEVER to sing the song again, ‘apparently’, I say apparently because not one single person at Rangers has confirmed that the song has ever been banned.

 

Murray and Co: took the UEFA ruling without batting an eyelid and even added more fuel to the fire

 

“It is absolutely clear to all concerned that all supporters need to commit to silencing the minority.”

 

UEFA said this about TBB on April 13th 2006:

 

Not guilty

 

The body declared the Rangers fans not guilty of alleged discriminatory chants at both legs of the tie, which Villarreal won on the away-goals rule after the two sides had finished 3-3 on aggregate. The body’s decision can be appealed against within three days.

 

Social problem

 

In examining the alleged discriminatory chants, the Control & Disciplinary Body admitted that the nature of the song concerned – “Billy Boys” - related to a social problem in Scotland. The body also believed that the disciplinary decision in this case had to be taken in the context of Scotland’s social and historical background.

 

Studied evidence

 

After studying the evidence at hand as well as the statement of Rangers FC, the Control & Disciplinary Body conceded that supporters have been singing the song "Billy Boys" for years during national and international matches without either the Scottish football or governmental authorities being able to intervene. The result is that this song is now somehow tolerated.

 

Social and historical context

 

Given this social and historical context, the Control & Disciplinary Body said it considered that UEFA cannot demand an end to behavior which has been tolerated for years. In view of the above, the Control & Disciplinary Body ruled that, despite the behavior of its supporters, Rangers FC had not infringed Article 5 of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (click here) and cannot be punished according to Article 6

This was appealed due to someone from the outside not happy with the outcome.

 

UEFA website 24th May 2006:

 

UEFA's Appeals Body has today partially upheld the appeal made against the Control and Disciplinary Body's decision concerning Scottish club Rangers FC and their UEFA Champions League first knockout round tie against Villarreal CF.

 

Rangers fined

 

UEFA appealed against the decision on 12 April by the Control and Disciplinary Body to find Rangers not guilty of alleged discriminatory chants by the club's supporters at both legs of the tie, on 22 February at Ibrox and 7 March at El Madrigal. Rangers have been fined €19,500 and severely warned about their responsibility for any future misconduct by their fans in relation to sectarian and discriminatory behaviour.

 

Future directives

 

In addition, the Appeals Body will combine the disciplinary measures with directives safeguarding the correct execution of the judgement. The directives themselves will be communicated to Rangers along with the full written grounds for the disciplinary decision.

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Certain places of an indifferent nature are steering clear of baldy bain's inflammatory utterances, could these "places" be the complainants. Sing it loud and sing it proud..........