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I would imagine very soon. They can do as they please currently and once this placement is done and the percentages in place, it is highly unlikely resolution 11 will be an issue ever again**** Probably sensible to offer the rank and file their rights moving forward. Keeps us feeling important and it will be free capital for the club. ****unless the mega shareholders have a monumental split in the future and internally explode like us with previous fans groups

It is a good post and absolutely sums it up. They even make a democracy look like the old communist USSR. Anyway, more cash to Rangers and 100% controlled. All good in the end.

Is that more dangerous than people inside fans groups hellbent on discrediting individuals/groups for their own ends?

The only motivation that is in question here is the desire of Club1872 to destroy their own credibility and deny their members the rights they signed up for. Basically going against their own terms and conditions. I am very realistic about the possibility and possible success of fan ownership. The RST, RF and now Club1872 you mention are trailblazers in showing why. I refer back to the spectacular internal combustion, virtually the only consistent in each version. I am a life member and still contribute.

Really? So why the vote now. From the Club1872 website today: Sign Up Now Monthly Donation Annual Donation One-off Donation Club 1872 is the first united fan group of its type and it presents a win-win for both supporters and Rangers Football Club. For the first time, a genuine say in the distribution of supporter-contributed funds is possible. Club 1872 has already achieved its short term goal of holding more than 10% of the shares in RIFC. 25% is now a realistic minimum goal with all Rangers supporters uniting behind this concept. Donate now and be part of the generation that safeguards our great Club for all the future generations still to come. How is my donation used? When you donate to Club 1872 you can choose whether your donations are used to support projects or to acquire shares in Rangers International Football Club PLC (the parent company of the company that owns Rangers Football Club). You will do so when creating your profile. If you don’t specify a choice, your donation will be split evenly between projects and shares. Donations are collected by Club 1872 Shares Community Interest Company and will then be distributed as follows: 5% will be paid to Club 1872 Limited to meet administrative and marketing expenses, All amounts allocated to shares will be retained by Club 1872 Shares Community Interest Company and all amounts allocated to projects will be paid to Club 1872 Projects CIC. Payments will be distributed monthly. In respect of payments to Club 1872 Limited and the Projects CIC, Club 1872 Shares Community Interest Company is acting as collection agent only. All future donations from persons signing up from Rangers First and the Rangers Supporters Trust will, after deduction of the expenses to be paid to Club 1872 Limited, be split 50:50 between shares and projects unless the person signing up indicates a contrary preference when completing their profile.

The issue is who wears the blazer. And there we have the internal sniping followed by the spectacular self combust. More than once. Ergo, harmony may occur if the blazer is not chased. It is relevant that Club1872 has never been independent from RIFC and that the claims that it was were wildly outrageous. I agree regarding the shortfall funding, of course. That is why Club1872 will be diluted. So why pretend otherwise.

It is worth noting C1872 have not been forced down any road, it is of their choosing to go back on their word and use the majority to try and force change. It smacks of a lost cause blazer trail, which we have seen before of course. The real winners in this are RIFC, who have had C1872 where they want them from the beginning. Never independent, compromised and controlled from day 1 and soon to have even less influence if that is possible. Another circa £1m in to the club yet C1872's holding will be drastically diluted at the same time. But as long as the club prospers all will be well.

Shares or projects? Or is buying shares a project? I am quite sure C1872 made the distinction at sign up to get peoples cash. Desperate times now indeed. The really laughable part is your sniping from the sides comment. Virtually all the sniping involving C1872 comes from within.

That being the case, why did they specify the RIFC shares and projects options? Money juggling you say, I think it is anything but. Was the projects option just to get even more cash into the organisation then? Maybe it was and it has achieved it's goal. So "we don't want your opinion, forget the agreement we had at sign up, and we will use your money as we see fit"....perhaps.

Club1872 subscribers had the choice at sign up to donate their money to RIFC share purchases or other projects. The vast majority give to share purchase, no surprise given it is the whole raison d'etre of the organisation, whilst others were happy to donate to Rangers projects in the name of Club1872. But it seems that for the forthcoming share placement in RIFC, in which Club1872 have rightly been invited to take part, Club1872 now want to call share buying in RIFC a 'project'. Every member will get a vote, obviously, with the aim to circumvent Club1872's own rules, usurp the minority and say that their money will be used for a project - ie buying shares in RIFC with all funds. A bit of a strange one that. Edit: Fwiw, I voted against the proposal. RIFC Share Issue Project Poll Club 1872 Shares CIC has the opportunity to participate in the upcoming share issue by Rangers International Football Club PLC (RIFC). In order to ensure that Club 1872 can subscribe for as many shares as possible, it is proposed that the share issue be designated a Project, so that monies raised for Projects can be used to acquire shares in the issue. This will also ensure that these monies directly benefit Rangers Football Club. Please click the link below and follow the on screen prompts to log in and to register your vote. The poll will close at 5pm on Thursday 14th June 2018. Members will also receive an update on the current funding position for the RIFC share issue. VOTE HERE. Club 1872

I never missed it, I seriously wanted to know when you thought he season became interesting again after Murty's mob lost to the likes of Hamilton & St J at Ibrox on top of the away capitulations. I do not think the seemingly pivotal half dozen games made any difference. Interesting, fwiw, is if we do indeed finish 4th in a 2 horse race. Results do not lie. Last comment in this thread from me because no doubt I am boring everyone now, cheers for the debate though.

How many games did he win and when was the season interesting again? He lost a stack against dross and made an arse of it, but you shout about his 6 wins all you want. I stand by what I said, results do not lie. We are minnows looking like 4th place in a 2 horse race. Interesting to some maybe. But I am glad somebody believed Murty last friday when he said he was the mutt's nuts and had done a good job. I just checked the league table btw.

Eh? He f@cked it up in 2 OF games (as were the players he selected) and that's that. I am talking about long before that. Did you miss getting thrashed at Ibrox by St J & Hamilton or decimated at Dens by Dundee? A disaster from day 1, again. But hey, you stick with JFK-1 and only count a wee spell from the turn of the year. It really is very simplistic. It is a results driven business and the results don't lie.

And for what it is worth, we lost that game because Murty froze and changed nothing when they went to 10 men. The tranny poker then reacted to our negligence as Murty chewed his zip. If my granny had baws, we may have won that game as well.

No spin. I am saying Murty was useless from the get go, a disaster as a manager. I think results, all of them collectively, prove that beyond discussion and any doubt whatsoever, never mind reasonable. Maybe, like JFK-1, I should extrapolate a scenario based on a run of 9 games. We would be relegated.

Okay, so a hand picked, massive, 9 game run in a season - aside from Killie and Dundee - and we are virtual, extrpolated league winners with Murty as the man. Good we avoided the mighty Killie in that pre-extrapolation 9 games btw. Unfortunately, we have to play a 38 game season, no hand picking or extrapolation allowed, and the buggers count the score in all of them all. Title winning form from Murty indeed, hilarious if it was not so sad.

Fair enough, all about opinions. Imo, he blew it in the 6 weeks and it was never interesting. Next you will say if he had beaten the mighty Hamilton & St J at Ibrox we may have prevailed. Or would the early Dundee debacle have been the key to de-railing him? Out of interest, which game do you refer to 'had he won that game'? Every thrashing at the hands of his bhoyhood favourites?

Thanks. I am not sure re any omens, I had the pleasure of Pete's company for a few games during the interim period. I think we lost them all

Hi Guys, been away for a bit but delighted to be back. Had a severe case of being terrified of men in comfortable shoes, but I appear to be over it now. But I see things are still going as normal. Likewise, up to the Ibrox OF game Murty did admirably......wow

I was referring to the agendas, post deletion when it suits and what is let go. What has not been taken out of this thread is way more relevant that what has been deleted. I referred to the post deletion a while ago on here and was shot down in flames, it rarely happens. Nowt to do with hunners getting banned or not, as the case may be.

Fair enough, although what you have left in is way more telling than what you deleted. But like Mark on FF, it is your ball so you pick who plays.

I am not provoking you, merely referring to your own words posted inthis forum. What you did to Mr Bennett and his intentions towards Rangers FC at the time was despicable - as you have further proven with your continual diatribe against any other hnw Rangers man who has tried to help the club. It was certainly well rehearsed and premeditated, of that there is no doubt. You absolutely supported the regime that damn near killed off our club - right until the bitter end. Regardless of all the evidence of wrong doing. That is not the work of a Rangers supporter, voting to kill off our club. Did you want our club dead? Because it looks like it. Fanatical supporter of Rangers for 58 years? Actions speak louder than words. [inappropriate stuff removed - Frankie]

Save me the bother of typing such a long list, just go and read through all your posts attacking Messrs Bennett, King & Murray on here. Add your fanatical and totally mis-guided support of the previous regime, your desire to keep the lamb and the leech in power and you are simply dangerous to the institution that is The Rangers Football Club. [inappropriate stuff removed - Frankie]

New, whatever do you mean by that? Way more dangerous than Jack and at least Jack got paid for his support of those who set out to destroy us.

You mean this is not RM? I need to log off and on again, just to check.