GovanAllan

The tech has moved on Craig it's 4G my kids play on anyway.

Man up Fran and stop crying like a big wean.

So you thnk the two cant go hand in hand, you can't play good football and win at the same time? Need to tell Barca and the rest they've got the concept all wrong and they've been wasting their time. Have we become so conditioned to watching crap football at Rangers just as long as we win a trophy that all else is thrown out the window, we have the breathing space to really start something at Ibrox that will last for generations but all we seem to be interested in is winning a bit of silverware while the football on show is killing the game. It's the saddest attitude I've ever came across really really sad.

I give up, you just don't see it do you, you are happy for your team to scrap by just as long as they win the occasional trophy ever year. I claim you can win and play football worth watching the two are connected. What is it about that concept that is so alien to you? As for the height of this bar, your the one trying to work out how many games we can lose and draw but still win Div3 if that isn't craziest thing I've heard from a Rangers fan in my 42 years on this planet I don't know what is. You used Arsenal as a comparison for good football but no trophies who would want that you claim, I think you will find The Emirates was packed at the weekend so obviously having good football to watch does make a difference. I notice you didn't want to back up your Waddell claim that Rangers only play big strong boys. that actually made me laugh and just shows exactly what you know about Rangers and football in general IMO. I remember the Celtic team you talk about and The Rangers team, I don't need a paper to remind me about it I was watching it home and away and If Celtic were that bloody good do think we beat them just because we had a bit of dig about us, get a grip of yourself and stop reading the papers it's melting your mind.

Ok Craig you asked " Crap and more Crap". Its the same old tired excuses time after time we need time to settle, I don't see the time we need to settle when we hammer a team 5-1 at Ibrox, although in those games we started like a geriatric tortoise as well the difference may be the 50K starting to rumble that gets their arse in gear. He then tells us they've had a meeting to clear the air, did they not have this same meeting after the Berwick game to clear the air and we were told it was all sorted the players know what's expected of them and we go forward from here. Obviously Ally's idea of moving forward is different from mine. We even have Sandaza complaining the pitch was too hard he's playing on a 4G surface it's the best surface he's going see outside of Ibrox all season and before we get they aren't used to it they have a 4G surface at Murray park so if they aren't used to it then the coaching team is again failing badly. So that Craig is why I said crap and more crap.

You better start training.

His windows are on the hit list as we speak.

Crap and more crap they don't seem to have a problem settling in at Ibrox Ally so spare us, get it fixed or bugger off and let somebody else fix it.

NIAR Rangers played some good football so again your talking pish, good football and winning go hand in hand when are going to get that into your head. As for the rest of your post I bet if you could sit Willie Waddell down and let him watch Saturdays game he would've been livid. Rangers used to set the bar in this country but going by your stance we don't set the bar anymore we look to see who high it is and just make do. Again remind me how big was Willie Johnston, Alex McDonald, Tommy McLean & Wullie Henderson? As for the last childish bit of your post, kind of says it all about you and absolutely nothing about me, as I said before whatever keeps you warm at night.

Probably right Andy, but you can just imagine the last 10 seconds of the sports news around Europe, and for some light relief we will head to Scotland and see what the crazies have been to this week.

And that in a nutshell is why we will still be sitting watching crap football in 10 years time. It's ok we are winning most of the time absolutely shameful stance, and you call yourself a Rangers fan your not a fan your a glory-hunter. You can take world records and throw them away, I would rather my team is remembered for playing great football not how many times we won in a mickey mouse league against poor teams just struggling to stay open never mind actually mount a challenge. We have a chance to build something really special at Rangers and get it right this time, but NO what's that all about it's about winning the lowest Div in the land first and foremost because that's a real achievement isn't it. So you can take your facts that you love so much and cuddle them close at night if keeps you warm, I will take the fact that we haven't played football worth watching for years and I don't see it changing under Ally. As for the wee snarky bit at the end TUT TUT, I'm sure if I ever put my head in the sand you will be the first person I bump into perish the thought.

Now isn't this financial doping they have players they can't afford and are cheating. Straight to jail don't pass go and don't pick up your wage on the way. I await the SPHell inquiry into this with interest.

It's getting more and more laughable with every day, the rest of Europe must be laughing up their sleeves at Scottish Football.

Tel you what you bring AC over and see if they keep getting draws in Div3, the craziest comparison I've seen yet.

You will never get a better chance to tear the guts out of Auchenhowie and start from scratch. As Cal points out we can win this league playing like shit, which kind of counters his other argument that these teams aren't as bad as we think they are. But anyway we have the breathing space to really make a change and as usual nothing is getting done it will be the same old but we won a trophy so everything's ok and the dross will continue.

In this Div both should go hand in hand, there should be no pressure on these players as Calscot pointed out we can draw every away game and still win the league with our home record. If that isn't pressure free football I don't know what is, they should be revelling in this situation instead they look like scared wee boys as soon as they get on the road.

We have some breathing space to get a way of playing in place for decades to come and still win trophies it's a win/win, but only if the club grab it and make the hard changes needed. Same here mate, the Ally debate is going round in circles. Green will decide if he wants to persevere with Ally or cut him loose and nothing any of us think or say will make up his mind either way.

At least it wasn't Blacks fault this time.

5 games have I missed something thought it was 8? Again your missing the point of mine and a few others argument because you think we are just Ally bashing out of hatred, I love Ally think he's one of the nicest guys you could ever meet and a great Ranger BUT he ain't a manager. We have a chance here to build something from the bottom up and it isn't going to happen under Ally. On the Barca point what's wrong with wanting my team to be as good as it can be, that should be what every fan wants isn't it or am I missing something when it comes to Rangers fans, have we really learned to accept dross and be happy about it just as long as we are winning trophies nothing else matters.

I hope it's not bad and he's back soon, but lets get this in perspective we are in the basement of football if the squad we have isn't big enough to win this league at a canter we might as chuck it.

You've got to laugh haven't you.

What was crap his arguement that Ally is out of his depth and not up to the job, I think he got that spot on. I don't ruffle feathers matey I just say what I think, if it ruffles your feathers then thats your problem and as this is the third pop you've had at me tonight it obviously does. As for the rest it's about time you stopped acting like a wee spoilt boy and grew a thicker skin this is a Rangers debate forum if you can't handle the debate that's not my fault.

If you had read my post you would have noticed I mention his words were wrong but the points he was trying to get across about Ally and the way the team are run was spot on.

Tut tut who rattled your cage, and as for your other pop, Ally is doing a fine job of backing up my arguement for me. As for the name calling I'm not the one throwing about the names, myself and others are the ones getting called an Ally Basher and our support questioned just because we have the outrage of questioning a club legend. That's the difference it seems between you and me I can separate Ally the legend from Ally the manager.

Might get too many complaints mate and disappear in the middle of the night.