craig 5,195 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Let's not kid ourselves on that Walter Smith is some sort of football genuis. In a league that ranks outside onf the top 20 in Europe Smith won some trophies in a two team league. And during much of his time he had more money to spend than all the other clubs combined. Put in perspective, it's not a genuinely great story to write home and get excited about. His brand of 'football' was utterly miserable to watch most of the time. As for effectively appointing McCoist as manger - well that says it all. Yet he somehow managed to make the final of one of the two European competitions, not bad for someone managing in a nation outside the top 20. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBlue 0 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Yet he somehow managed to make the final of one of the two European competitions, not bad for someone managing in a nation outside the top 20. In cup competitions anything can happen if a team gets on a run. See Bradford in English league cup final as a recent example. Smith Bored Europe - and us - to death on his way there and barely tried it win it when we got there. Edited June 17, 2015 by MoodyBlue 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 243 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I thought we were talking about the "real world"? You might not have noticed but the entertainment business is not very related to the real world. It usually entertains us by faking everything. There is a difference between sport and entertainment which is easily epitomised by the defference between the Golden State Warriors and the Harlem Globe Trotters. When they turn football into entertainment, it will cease to be a "real" sport. Sport not about attention, it's about winning and being as successful as possible. disagree mate. we are talking about sport as an entertainment business people are looking for hero's. Hero's are not made by just winning they produce feats of magic that make them the best. When they turn football into entertainment, it will cease to be a "real" sport. real madrid and barcelona disagree 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Yet he somehow managed to make the final of one of the two European competitions, not bad for someone managing in a nation outside the top 20. As they were 10th at that point, the achievement isn't even half as good as you thought! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 6,116 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 You could say wattie taught ally all he knew 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 In cup competitions anything can happen if a team gets on a run. See Bradford in English league cup final as a recent example. Smith Bored Europe - and us - to death on his way there and barely tried it win it when we got there. I don't disagree - however, your point was that he had more money to spend than all other clubs combined for much of his time - yet he still managed to get to a UEFA final (no matter how unattractive) whilst up against clubs who operated at a far higher level than his team were. He may not have been some sort of genius, and the style he had us playing that year was brutal - but it still suggests he knows how to manage a football team. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 As they were 10th at that point, the achievement isn't even half as good as you thought! I wasn't the one that suggested Scotland was outside the top 20 though..... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The two are not exclusive. When you "try to be entertaining" they are completely exclusive. Try something like shooting at a target with an air pistol where the goal is to get the most points. Now try and do it while being entertaining - are your scores better or worse? This multiplies much more when there is another team who might not give a crap how entertaining the game is and are using your entertainment tactics against you. They may also make you less entertaining which means you must try harder to bring up the entertainment levels. You can see how absurd it gets. At no point does winning need to be sacrificed for style or vice versa. To be the best, you concentrate all your efforts into winning, any of that sacrificed means your are less effective at winning. just ask the most successful clubs in the world who also attract the biggest level of support through their entertainment levels. That is just not true. Not in the slightest. The most successful clubs CAN be the most entertaining as they have the most skillful players, which also allows them a level of room to showboat somewhat against lesser sides who are still skilful. It's just nonsense. There are plenty of clubs that have been considered to play the nicest football - I remember a Norwich side about 25 years ago, but they don't become super Giants like those two. These kind of clubs are huge because there are success, not because they are entertaining. The entertainment comes from vicariously watching your team being successful. we obviously cant produce teams like madrid and barca but we can produce the ethos. Again, obviously not true. How entertaining have Barcelona been against Rangers and Celtic in this century? That's how teams play against us every week. You seem to forget there are two teams on the pitch. Winning in scotland is easy you pretty much have one team to beat. No, you have to beat them all, all the time, which a most players find is much harder than they think. In a two team competition, every dropped point is damaging - there aren't two rivals to take points off each other. Each team treats you like a cup final where they at minimum want to limit the damage and maximum cause an upset. They don't give a crap how entertaining the make the game or the manner in how they do it. There is no excuse for not being able to do it with at least a modicum of style. Style should come from playing with excellence, it shouldn't be goal in itself as it distracts from excellence. It is the attitude of dreamer who will ultimately be a loser. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) disagree mate. we are talking about sport as an entertainment business people are looking for hero's. Hero's are not made by just winning they produce feats of magic that make them the best. You are looking for celebrities rather than sporting heros. The fastest man in world over 100 meters cares far more about getting faster than how entertaining he is when doing it. The entertainment comes from the experience of watching the fastest man in the world. When they turn football into entertainment, it will cease to be a "real" sport. real madrid and barcelona disagree No they absolutely don't, which is why they are so successful. Edited June 17, 2015 by calscot 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Sport not about attention, it's about winning and being as successful as possible. Tonya Harding, Lance Armstrong and Tom Williams all agree! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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