limeburner 0 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 For league games our system is fine. If we want to win a cup we need more defensive cover,we will be exposed when better teams come calling. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno55 0 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 All good reading but don't understand why passing the ball out as to lumping the ball the Peter McCloy way would be difficult if we pass the ball out we have got control of it lumping it means we've got to chase to get it back. We have to cut out the jig 40 yard passes it's not working. Keeper to defender to midfield it's their job to create the chances for our forwards it's not rocket science only my opinion though 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,361 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 When the opponents press our split central pair, Halliday has been coming back and acting as pivot. This was very noticable at Dumbarton on Saturday. However when Dumbarton didnt press, Halliday stayed further forward as part of the midfield 5 as you put it. Halliday isn't a natural holding midfielder though, and therefore doesnt offer our centre halfs much protection against the counter attack. Perhaps Eustace will sit deeper both when we have possession as well as when we are defending. A good analysis of the system being used here and elsewhere though. We have had protective players before although we didnt play this system before. Hemdani being the perfect defensive midfielder that we seen the best of in Europe when the quality of opponent was improved above SPL level. That is my only downside to bringing Eustace into the side. While it certainly should offer more protection for the still shaky defence, do we really need this specialised role this season for league matches? We are winning comfortably and creating chances, with all of our midfielders contributing in a positive way with goals and assists and I would say these positive contributions outweigh the amount of times that our exposed defence have conceded due to not having a holding midfielder, or pivot. It is all good for debate and a good problem for the manager to try to sort out. We shall watch with interest over coming weeks how our system develops. I agree with you. Craig has said elsewhere that as long as the communication is good, we'll be OK with the 3 rotating midfielders this year. I was thinking more long-term, and in the games against better opponents. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,361 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Another good read Rousseau! It's interesting that someone mentioned Barry Ferguson because when I think of this 'pivot' role you're talking about I think of a player like Tymoschuk who did a brilliant job against us in the UEFA Cup final in Manchester. The Pivot can incorporate different skill-sets. Pirlo played that role for Juventus when they played 4-4-2 (diamond), coming deep to make a 3-man defense, pick up the ball and play those long pin-point passes; he was a attacking pivot in that sense. Or, like you suggest, Tymoschuk, who was more defensive. Ferguson would be a more offensive type. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabiDuck 89 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Rousseau, comparing Barry to Pirlo? Not sure he was quite that good! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 All good reading but don't understand why passing the ball out as to lumping the ball the Peter McCloy way would be difficult if we pass the ball out we have got control of it lumping it means we've got to chase to get it back. We have to cut out the jig 40 yard passes it's not working. Keeper to defender to midfield it's their job to create the chances for our forwards it's not rocket science only my opinion though Have you been watching some of Foderingham's distribution this season ? It SHOULDN'T be difficult if you have a keeper who is accurate with his distribution. Foderingham has been fairly accurate but has also been prone to a couple of horrible passes to his CB's. It isn't difficult if done correctly - and 99%+ of the time we DO keep possession. It will become harder, though, when teams press with a higher line. I'm actually surprised that teams haven't done this already - almost every team (bar Hibs) have sat back and soaked up the pressure - our CB's haven't been put under pressure from a high line or early pressure this season. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The Pivot can incorporate different skill-sets. Pirlo played that role for Juventus when they played 4-4-2 (diamond), coming deep to make a 3-man defense, pick up the ball and play those long pin-point passes; he was a attacking pivot in that sense. Or, like you suggest, Tymoschuk, who was more defensive. Ferguson would be a more offensive type. But if Ferguson is a more offensive type (and I agree) then that is similar to Halliday, which means you don't get the pivot you want, right ? The pivot you want someone to be providing cover for the CB's, not being attracted to getting forward. without comparing their qualities, definitely more of a Pirlo than a Ferguson, or even a Gattuso..... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabiDuck 89 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Have you been watching some of Foderingham's distribution this season ? It SHOULDN'T be difficult if you have a keeper who is accurate with his distribution. Foderingham has been fairly accurate but has also been prone to a couple of horrible passes to his CB's. It isn't difficult if done correctly - and 99%+ of the time we DO keep possession. It will become harder, though, when teams press with a higher line. I'm actually surprised that teams haven't done this already - almost every team (bar Hibs) have sat back and soaked up the pressure - our CB's haven't been put under pressure from a high line or early pressure this season. I seem to remember being critical of Klos' kicking a few years back. Heart was in my mouth every time he punted it upfield! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,361 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Rousseau, comparing Barry to Pirlo? Not sure he was quite that good! No way was I comparing them! Leagues apart. Edited September 21, 2015 by Rousseau 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabiDuck 89 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 But if Ferguson is a more offensive type (and I agree) then that is similar to Halliday, which means you don't get the pivot you want, right ? The pivot you want someone to be providing cover for the CB's, not being attracted to getting forward. without comparing their qualities, definitely more of a Pirlo than a Ferguson, or even a Gattuso..... Hmmm, bring back Rino! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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