Season Review Dethroned in the Comatorium

[ranger_syntax 4,822]

20 hours ago, ranger_syntax said:

I think European success is a necessary condition for domestic success. This is based on where we started from when we got back to the top league.

 

1 hour ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

That is because is no logic to your argument. Other mob fc regularly find domestic success while simultaneously being whipping boys in Europe.

I never made it explicit but I implied that we are in a different situation to them in the post I have quoted above.

 

Not everybody gets 8 league titles just handed to them when a rival collapses and disappears down the leagues.

 

There is a sufficient amount of logic for those who have eyes to see it.

[Sutton_blows_goats 6,189]

3 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said:

 

I never made it explicit but I implied that we are in a different situation to them in the post I have quoted above.

 

Not everybody gets 8 league titles just handed to them when a rival collapses and disappears down the leagues.

 

There is a sufficient amount of logic for those who have eyes to see it.

I have already stated in response, that in my opinion the condition ended with 55, perhaps it would help if I quoted it, but I suspect you'd continue to disregard it which is up to you. 

 

7 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said:

Not everybody gets 8 league titles just handed to them when a rival collapses and disappears down the leagues.

This does not explain the last 4

[ranger_syntax 4,822]

7 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

I have already stated in response, that in my opinion the condition ended with 55, 

Yeah and I disagree.

 

That's a disagreement about a matter of fact rather than logic.

[ranger_syntax 4,822]

1 hour ago, Scott7 said:

When Walter Smith was manager there were not many successful seasons in European competitions. Perhaps the absence of intensive midweek matches made domestic victories easier. 
Some statto may be able to explode that theory.

He never faced the situation that the club was in ~2016 onwards.

[JohnMc 3,207]

As we continue to document the board's many failures and play down their occasional successes, I wonder if someone might show me which other European leagues the club with the second highest budget finishes above the club with the biggest budget on a regular basis? 

For me this is the big elephant that everyone seems to ignore while criticising the club. In Germany Bayern were champions 9 out of the last 10 seasons. In France PSG have won 8 of the last 10. In Spain Athletico have won 1 title, the remaining 9 shared by Real and Barca. In Holland PSV have 4 titles, Ajax 3 and Feyonoord 2 (no title awarded in 2020). In Sweden Malmo have won 7 title since 2014. You get the picture. 

 

The disparity in finance makes a massive difference in modern football, in almost every league in Europe. Celtic have spent more on transfers than Rangers every season this decade. 

 

Frankie made the interesting point over the page that Celtic have dethroned Rangers as the most successful club on the pitch and the establishment club off it. Fair enough, but the dethroning of the club as the 'establishment club' didn't take place under this board, that happened a number of years ago. 

 

The club with the second highest budget finished second. 

[ranger_syntax 4,822]

2 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

Frankie made the interesting point over the page that Celtic have dethroned Rangers as the most successful club on the pitch and the establishment club off it. Fair enough, but the dethroning of the club as the 'establishment club' didn't take place under this board, that happened a number of years ago. 

Yes, and this can't be corrected easily.

[Sutton_blows_goats 6,189]

13 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

For me this is the big elephant that everyone seems to ignore while criticising the club

It was poor decision making that let the elephant in(post 55 specifically) which is the criticism.

[JohnMc 3,207]

1 hour ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

It was poor decision making that let the elephant in(post 55 specifically) which is the criticism.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Are we blaming the board for the loss to Malmo? Should they have taken the club further into debt to appease Gerrard and perhaps stopped him leaving? Did many think GvB was terrible choice of replacement at the time? I do hear people say we should have sold Morelos and Kent when they were at their peak. Again, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had we sold them there would be posters on here criticising the board's lack of ambition, being only interested in money. I feel there's a lack of realism around much of the criticism the board get. I mean the OP suggests you "could pick any half a dozen fans from the crowd and they would formulate and action a better plan to run the club" which is a nice soundbite but is also total and utter bollocks. It's such a ludicrously naive statement. That so many can't look at the people on our board, at their past achievements, at the ability so many of them clearly have, at the time and money they've poured into the club and realise that actually, if they weren't able to achieve everything we all wanted, that maybe, just maybe, it's a much harder job to do than most of us seem to think it is bewilders me. The simplicity so many approach this with is staggering. 

 

This board leave the club in a much better place than they found it, they should be thanked for that. 

[Sutton_blows_goats 6,189]

7 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

Are we blaming the board for the loss to Malmo? Should they have taken the club further into debt to appease Gerrard and perhaps stopped him leaving?

My biggest criticism of the board would not be the above, but rather the opposite. 55 was the time to go all in on a sustainable model. Looking back is always done with hindsight. I just think its common sense.

 

13 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

Had we sold them there would be posters on here criticising the board's lack of ambition, being only interested in money.

I hear this often. What puzzles me is me went through this last summer. I think everyone took it quite well actually. I was surprised at the apathy around what was clearly writing off the season.

 

9 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

That so many can't look at the people on our board, at their past achievements, at the ability so many of them clearly have, at the time and money they've poured into the club and realise that actually, if they weren't able to achieve everything we all wanted, that maybe, just maybe, it's a much harder job to do than most of us seem to think it is bewilders me.

Its another perspective that bewilders me. A mix of individuals who have been so successful in all different areas of business, have struggled to implement and execute any real plan or structure to the club where it should be simple to punch down on the rest of our league, bar one. I think we lost much of the drive and vision when King stepped back, as much as he brought other issues to the table. 

 

 

[Bluedell 6,094]

1 hour ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

Its another perspective that bewilders me. A mix of individuals who have been so successful in all different areas of business, have struggled to implement and execute any real plan or structure to the club where it should be simple to punch down on the rest of our league, bar one. 

Agreed. It shouldn't be a difficult business. There are only a few income streams, one of which is basically guaranteed, another should be known fairly quickly (transfer income) and Euro/cup income is the biggest unknown but wouldn't be hard to budget for an expected amount. Costs are largely known at the start of the year and should be controllable. A relatively easy business to control, in theory.

 

1 hour ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

I think we lost much of the drive and vision when King stepped back, as much as he brought other issues to the table. 

I think that the board as a whole lost a lot of their drive and vision at the same time. I'm not convinced King would have added much, other than commit us to even more dodgy deals that would need lawyers involved, particularly as he's not offered anything since leaving, other than being negative about a section of the remaining board for his own personal reasons.