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One this is blatantly obvious , that even after everything we have been through , the level of business acumen we have in general through out the support , and general knowledge on the goings on at companies that operate such as ours is very very limited .These are the people that club1872 and to an extent DK are targeting with the “never again “ campaign slogan as it pulls on the heart strings , but it’s shameless and I’m embarrassed that they have sunk so low .

I have no axe to bare with DK and like most am very thankful for the majority of what he achieved , Ashley apart because that became personal between them .

As the old saying goes , a fool and their money are easily parted . 

6 minutes ago, craig said:

Seriously Stevie ?

 

What a way to speak to someone ?  Elaborate please because nothing I said was disrespectful and I attempted to explain that I wasn't speaking AT you.

 

Sorry, but your response comes across as being a tad snowflake.

 

You are taking my posts on this subject far, far too personally.  And despite my best efforts to explain I am talking about the topic rather than at you, you are willfully ignoring that.  You did the same with Bluedell too.

 

It is OK to disagree, as we do.  And I did it respectfully.  Yet you take offence, I can't help that.

 

You have a good day too.

The two of you need to take a step back from this subject , I like and respect both of you , so please , walk away from this and agree to disagree 

3 minutes ago, Stevie - 4lads Blog said:

My charming wit, to help my desire for a blazer, to star on 4lads pod with the other esteemed guests we have had? 
 

 

Possibly because your blog is the best out there mate , and you always put Rangers first .

lol see what I did there .

The very reason that this has caused the furore that it has , is solely down to Club1872 and the elected representatives , for 2 going on 3 years we have had next to no communications other than the odd statement via selected news outlets , there have been no members meetings , nothing .

Now out of the blue with again no regard to members feelings they have agreed a deal with DK , which has absolutely no detailed plan behind it , it raises more questions than answers imho. We really need fresh elections and properly qualified people to run this org , we are talking about possibly £13 million of fans money , it’s not chicken feed .

There are fellow fans taking out legacy memberships , who have absolutely no idea what their money is going to be used for , where its going to be held , who has access to is etc etc , another cluster fuck by the 1872 board , absolutely no transparency , everything in a rush as per usual .

23 minutes ago, Stevie - 4lads Blog said:

Again your tone is completely harsh when I made a simple post on the matter 

 

I said that because I asked perhaps his family said he has to get something back, perhaps the club knew it was a loan, it was a question which is a reasonable one you have drawn assumptions on. I asked it to speculate that perhaps it was always known he would need it back 

 

I’m not looking for an argument with you or @rbr, Indeed I have said you both make fair and good points. I have acknowledged it isn’t perfect 

 

However I believe in the concept of fan ownership, Rangers can not depend on people bailing us out. We have to have a business model

 

It’s selfish to expect that to continue forever, I don’t expect Park or Bennett to walk away with nothing either 

 

I am not as knowledgeable as you both, but I have a very simplistic view

 

However, I have questions to ask, I will seek to have then answered and share them on my platform very soon.

 

I don’t think anything anyone is saying is unfair either with regards to both your points 

 

I don’t think I am either! 

Stevie , appologies for the tone of my replies , Ive been reading stuff on other forums and on twitter and the amount of ignorance on this subject is staggering .

I agree 100% regards DK and his situation , its a very complex issue that no one really apartb from him understands fully , infact there was much conjecture around the time he stepped down , why he stepped down ,and this regularity issue with SARS and his inability to get money out of SA was given as one possible reason .

The issues I have with Club1872 from a governance stance are valid IMHO , even more so when we havent had a members meeting in over 2 years and the board elections were changed with very little info again at short notice to a period I believe of 3 years .

Again I fuklly agree that the business model must change to a sustainable one , but the finacial guarentees that would be required of a 25% shareholder , in a multi million pound comopany are huge and Club 1872 cannot guarentee to meet these requirements leading to dilutiion of share possibly amongst other things , also the question of getting fan representation on the board is ludicris , anyone from Club 1872 that managed to get on the board would be under the same restraints as the current board members , can you imagine the furore if there are questions that need asked in a situation that may arise and the Club1872 /board member cannot answer them because of confidentiality issues .

Good luck to them but it will never happen without a sugar daddy coming on board , if they had the nmoney required they could simply have went to DK and got the shares themselves .

1 hour ago, Stevie - 4lads Blog said:

Perhaps you have an issue with those things, I’ve never found that and I don’t say that to be a dick, I just haven’t had those issues 

 

I’m in favour of fan ownership, much like pushing fan media. It’s our club 

 

I accept they aren’t perfect, I’m not telling you that or dismissing your points 

 

I’m not looking for an argument, I’m saying I believe in the concept 

 

I am looking for answers on stuff, I believe I can get them to share for everyone 

 

So we’ll see how it goes 

Stevie , I attended every meeting and every hustings when the initial elections took place , I watched as the club themselves pushed certain individuals through the press and backed them to the detriment of others , at these meetings laterally board members lied to us the members , James Blair had an absolute nighmare where he couldn,t  remember a conversation that a board member that was being bullied and threatend took to him only 2 weeks prior to this meeting , yet 30 minutes later repeated word for word a cobversation from over a year earlier .

This does nothing in the bigger picture for Rangers , I agree Dave King is owed a huge debt of gratitude , but this level of ownership brings responsibilities that financially the support simly cannot live up to and its not being spelled out .That is extremly worrying .

The message is that we will own this vast amount of Rangers stock yet have no financial responsibility going forward , we cant get a fan on the board from Club1872 due to conflicts of interest and business confidentiality , so what do we do regards that issue .Have someone on the board that cant answer questions or pass on information , its a recipe for disaster .

And one more little point just to highlight the sheer hypocrisy of club1872 s board , guess which newspaper , the one that they have campaigned against for years , was invited to the launch yesterday . Couldnt mark their necks with a blow torch . 

38 minutes ago, Stevie - 4lads Blog said:

Certainly going to back the campaign anyway I can. A chance to ensure 2012 never happens again is a good thing and it’s sad to see negativity surrounding it

 

Upped my subscription to legacy this morning and back what they are trying to do 

Stevie , the negativity around this has been caused by Club 1872 themselves , they treat it as their own little North Korean empire , I haven't had a single email from them in nearly 2 years , I've emailed them on numerous occasions regarding the next AGM with no replies , today I've had 3 separate emails begging for money .

Their inability to deal with their own governance , their inability to deal with previous issues such as the bullying of board members , their ties to James "the snake" Blair our slithering company secretary , all go against them .

I was a massive supporter of fan ownership , however this is simply a step too far , the consequences and responsibilities that come with having such a massive percentage far out weighs any benefits in the short term , and as a support I honestly don't see how we could even come close to not only raising the required funds but meet any future funding requirements , or would we just not be needed and it would be left to the other shareholders , I don't think so .

If its true that the Hibs game against septic is getting moved so they can fly out for a winter training camp then they should be ridiculed and derided for the sharlatans they are , never thought that even they couldnt drop that low , but there you go .

13 minutes ago, BlackSocksRedTops said:

Just a wee post script. Can anyone tell my why our 1st goal was not offside last night? Is it because Roofe is beyond the goalie? He's clearly the most advanced player when Arfield strikes the ball 

all to do with interfering with play / phases of play

4 hours ago, JohnMc said:

Put me in the 'why didn't we make any subs' camp. I'd have replaced our forward three with Barker, Hagi and Itten and either Davis or Arfield with Helander when it was 2-1. We were clearly struggling to match them at that point as their 4 subs injected freshness and energy to their play. Looking at our bench you realise we're still a bit thin squad wise. It feels like Stewart and Barjonas are simply being kept around to make up the numbers as neither looks like ever playing while Dickson and King are not close to being ready for this level. 

 

That grumble aside I can't lose sight of the fact we just went toe-to-toe with Benfica and produced two wonderful matches. Ten goals, some wonderful football from both sides, and, in truth both sides can feel fortunate to have drawn while also feeling they could have won. The simple truth is our first team are now at the same level as Benfica and if we can maintain that this season we'll play European football after Christmas and we'll win the league. No slip ups, no distractions, keep focused and keep playing as we can and it won't matter if they appoint Guardiola assisted by Klopp, this will be our season. We can all see the potential now, we know 55 is in our own hands and if they can keep entertaining us with that beautiful football we play then so much the better. 

And as an aside to those points above , over the 2 games , we were behind for the grand total of 22 minutes over 180 .

Also another very good piece from the Heart and hand guys and Andy mcGowan on patreon , its free https://www.patreon.com/posts/44219139

Delighted for Tavernier , but this squad just need to be enjoyed because we wont have a lot of these guys soon .

Also this is a decent watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L

Has it been shown that we actually have business interuption insurance and if so what amount will it cover .

We need to forget the rhetoric here , this Celtic team have been beaten once , by us ,and have drawn against an Aberdeeen side playing at home who are on or were on a great run ,they are still a massive threat ,they have a wage bill of approx 3 times ours , money talks in football .

But if we keep on winning there is nothin* they can do , hold your nerve fellow bears ? 

Good point Tannochsidebear , however Im pretty sure the half time subs dont count in the total number of changes , the same if the game goes into extra time and substitutions are made in the break .

Just shows how well we played when we have very good reasons given by other fellow posters to their choices , and to be honest they are all correct , think we just have to enjoy this team whilst we have them here .

I will say this yet again , our midfield cost £50,000 , or put another way 8 days of Shane Duffy’s wages .

If we beat Standard at home , we qualify .Everyone would have taken a point from both games between us and Benfica, so we are back to having a free hit at Ibrox , Lech Poznan will be tricky but we will take care of the Belgians at Ibrox .

Was a toss up between a few players , Davis s passing and general play was immense , but only because of his goal , Glen Kamara just shades it for me , outstanding performance .

As an aside , January is going to be huge for us , we need to keep this team together .

Another small point , some of Steve Davis,s passing should have been framed and hung on the walls of the Tate gallery , they were that beautiful .