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You must live in a different stratosphere from the rest of the world, Allan, if you think that you can say what you want, when you want, wherever you want, because you can't. You can't in Scotland, UK, Europe or the West in general. Going by your broadbrush, you could walk into a Synagogue and shout Nazi slogans because, in your world, you can say what you want, when you want? You could walk up to a black fella and call him a *insert generic black insult* and that's fine in planet Allan? No, Allan, in the real world, we have standards and how we expect people to behave. The British way is to be courteous, to have manners and to treat people with due respect not to "say what we want, when we want". You can say what you want, within reason, at an appropriate time and place. Which was my original point.

What does this even mean?

It depends in which context and in what location.

Pretty poor attitude to be honest.

Sorry, Bear_, but your groups choice of songs are more likely to drive away support for the club than a disgruntled copper.

What is 1312?

Beautifully put, amms. Well said and I can't see anything that I disagree with.

There HAS been praise and there HAS been recognition, but you can't expect gushing eulogies every time the Rangers support doesn't sing offensive songs. Most of the grief that Rangers fans still cop for it are from fellow fans from what I can see.

On the contrary, I missed an OF derby last season, it was just after Penny Arcade was introduced by the fans, and Ibrox was bouncing. Charlie Nicholas (of all people) was waxing lyrical about the Rangers crowd. Then on Sportscene, wee Nevin was also full of praise. Regardless though, you're saying that you want praise for not singing offensive songs? Even if it upsets fellow fans? Why can't we just sing songs that support the team with the odd helping of Penny Arcade?

Perhaps I should take a few minutes to clarify my points now that I realise that my initial tone was perhaps not in the best taste of Gersnet. I'm at a computer now as opposed to my phone. I find it more difficult to convey my point of view whilst using a phone and perhaps that is one of the reasons why my views have came across as insulting, I'm more used to using forums where abuse is commonplace and where WUMMIN is the norm. Anyway, I feel that my points are still valid and there still remains a few questions that haven't been answered. 1. How does singing about the IRA/UVF/YCV help the team? 2. When the team is drawing 0-0 with an amateur side, how does singing about shoving referendums up arses help the side? Regarding point 1, throughout my time on the internet forums, Rangers have been thoroughly vilified for singing certain songs, the support in the recent past have made great strides in cleaning up the songsheet and well done to all. BUT... whenever there is a dropping in standards in respect to songs, whataboutery is often used as a defence. "aye, but whatabout the Tims singing about the IRA" Well, what about it? You can't moan about them singing pro-IRA songs, when you yourself are singing anti-IRA songs and pro-UVF songs. And what has these organisations got to do with Rangers FC? The answer is nothing, their is nothing to connect Rangers with terrorist groups. Point 2. Politics at football grounds. I think my position is pretty clear here. The sporting arena should be no place for political views. Their will be pro-Independence Rangers fans, SNP voting Rangers fans and by singing songs which are "embarrassing" then you are isolating certain Rangers fans at what should be an enjoyable "escape" from normal life. I look at the big English clubs and how their support have no stigma's attached to them. When you look at Man U, you can't say that their fans represent a certain type of person, same with 'Pool, Arsenal etc. The only club that I can think of is Spurs and even then, their Jewish roots are not even prevalent these days. I want Rangers to be supported by anyone and everyone. For too long, we've been pigeon-holed by society in general and the media specifically. I found Bill McMurdo's blog a few weeks ago with the petition with the leading question being - "Us Protestant, Unionist & Loyalist (PU&L)" and I thought "how many Rangers fans are PU&L?" quite amusing. I recall a religion poll in the FF lounge where over 70% of fans polled that they were not Protestant (most folks were atheist/agnostic). I'd agree that more Rangers fans are Unionist. Unionist as in they see the benefit of the political Union on their own merits and not just because they are Rangers fans and "that's what we are". I know a few Loyalists, but they are OO members and few and far between. Anyway, apologies to anyone upset by my ramblings. If Zappa wants to close my account then that's fine by me. If the site owner doesn't love me then I guess this isn't the place for me...

I oppologise to all those who've been insulted by reading words attributed to me on the interweb.

Ooops Tits are nice in my book… That's the demon drink for you.

When did I call them tits?

Can't be arse, mate. TBH, these things are not that important to me. Good luck though.

Like who? I've not insulted anyone (that I know of) Truth be told, I wouldn't even say I insulted BF1, I only stated that their choice of songs at times yesterday were embarrassing… for them.

Ok Allan, thanks again for your input, buddy.

How do you hide your political ambitions/leanings at a football match? Pretty self-explainatary IMO. If you feel so strongly about Scottish politics, go round the doors and make your point.

"Fellow users" Ha…

You insulted my mentality. It made me cry

The footballing arena should be about the sport and nothing else. Keep your religious leanings and political views out of the stadium. All that does is aggravate fellow fans and detracts from the team and task at hand. Explain to me and everyone else how singing about the IRA, UVF and Alex Salmond helps the team? All I'm reading is that it crates an atmosphere, so using that logic, we could have the stadium full of the Groin Brigade singing their amusing repitoir of republican songs, as long as it creates atmosphere. No?

Yes, I am G4S and we are coming to get you.

Oh oh, another personal insult to a fellow user. Not very good at following the rules now are we, Derek?

Likewise, sir.

G4S(NP) are gonna close you down.

The Scottish public voted in a party whose main policy is Scottish Independence. That is a clear mandate for a referendum whether you like it or not.