ian1964

Ok,ever since you have joined this forum you have always been against Ally as a manager,everybody is entitled to their opinion,we all know your opinion on Ally as a manager,but why keep going on about it?,especially at this time?,give it a rest,we all need to pull together to try and get back to the top.

Don't forget St Midden PDESports exclusive - StMirren chairman Stewart Gilmour slams 'catastrophic' SFL decision to send Newco Rangers to Third Division PDESports exclusive - Gilmour: 'I hope the SFL clubs realise the damage they have done to Scottish Football' stmirren @PDESports exclusive - Gilmour: 'I hope the SFL clubs realise the damage they have done to Scottish Football'

You just can't help yourself. There are enough people outwith Rangers having a kick at us just now. And for the record the 3rd division is our level right now.

The RST should take every opportunity to state in every press release that we are not a new club

Fri, 13th Jul 2012 10:19pm The club chairman attended a very sobering meeting of the SFL today where the 30 clubs voted on resolutions in the manner that they felt were, on balance, for the good of the game. Nobody had arrived at decisions easily and all had been placed in intolerable positions of having to decide without the basic information that would reflect good governance and having to speculate about unresolved matters around sanctions and membership of the SFA that other bodies had so far failed to deal with. The outcome was never going to be a good one, but it was one of significant unity amongst the clubs. Even where clubs voted differently, it was not a divisive difference of views, everyone understood the complex mix of circumstances facing each club would never deliver unanimity of voting. We reported this morning prior to the vote of all clubs that “Sevco Scotland Ltd will not be playing in the Third Division in the coming season." Nothing heard today altered that opinion, in fact, it strengthened it. For the good of the game we need to see the SFA accept the will of its members, who all voted today, as members of the SFL, in the clear knowledge that the SFA had it in its power to refuse to transfer SFA membership to Sevco Scotland Ltd should the vote support the entry of Sevco Scotland Ltd into SFL3. We were asked to respect the confidentiality of those presenting today as only that agreement would allow them to be as candid as they were. We cannot therefore share what was said, however Mr Green left the SFL member clubs in no doubt about what he had been told by the SFA. The SFL saw a level of unity and unselfishness that owes significant credit to the First Division clubs who stated their intention to seek a 42 club solution and not to take part in a divisive alternative. This kind of unity, if maintained, will help deliver the change that the game so badly needs and the First Division clubs in particular will merit. If the SFA now act to support any process to undermine the clear views of the SFL members, who are also members of the SFA, then this club will join others in questioning those in leadership. Sadly for our game, this saga is not over, teams cannot plan and that includes Rangers, who may yet be denied the opportunity to play football in SFL3 because it suits the interests of others.

The biggest story in Scottish football this coming season is the Rangers revival,maybe sky would be really interested in that?.

I don't know,I never tuned in!:grin:

If a few other SPL clubs go bust due to us not being in the SPL, could the SPL go bust?,leaving all the remaining SPL teams applying to join the SFL?:devil:

I honestly think that CG would accept this to get into the 1st division!

We can't be forced into SFL1,but maybe CG would take the invitation even with sanctions?

SPL or 1st division with sanctions was not acceptable,I don't think any fan really wants to be in the 3rd division but we are and now we have to start building to become stronger than ever and we will as long as the fans back the club.

FORGETTING to be careful what you wish for and not remembering the law of unintended consequences came back to bite the Scottish Premier League on the backside. Now the SPL is faced with having to make a humiliating climbdown. For the only way out of the mess the bigots and fools in the SPL have created â?? with more than a little help from SFA chief executive Stewart Regan â?? is to invite Rangers to join them. What a bunch of bigoted numpties those SPL chairmen and chief executives are. They listened to the hate filled bigoted bile which spewed from their fans and for no good sound sensible reason they refused Rangers entry to the SPL. They believed all the ranting rubbish from their head honcho, Neil Doncaster and his SFA sidekick, Stewart Regan, that Rangers would be parachuted into the First Division and be back in the top flight this time next year. They believed all the nonsense that a stitch up had been agreed and that the Scottish Football League clubs would roll over and have their collective tummies tickled. They wished to be seen to be bowing to the disgraceful demands of their bilious supporters, secure in the knowledge that Doncaster and Regan would browbeat and bribe the SFL and that the Sky deal would be saved and there would be no financial meltdown. Their wish was to be seen as tough guys. Good guys. The guardians of sporting integrity. I wonder how they are feeling inside the boardrooms inside Pittodrie, Tannadice and Fir Park today. Not too happy is my bet. At best. Shivering with fear as they face the financial consequences of their actions is the more realistic scenario. Scared to death that they have brought on the death of their clubs and hastened the death of Scottish football. It is hard to believe any body of successful businessmen could have made such a blind and foolhardy decision, for the consequence of the SPL no vote to Rangers was always going to be that the Ibrox club were heading for the Third Division. And what a craven coward Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan proved to be when events moved to their logical conclusion and the SFL voted Rangers into the Third Division. Did he come out to face the music? Did he heck as like. Stewart Regan cowered in cowardly style, hunkering down in his bunker, hiding behind a rambling statement which made no sense whatsoever. It read like the list of last wishes of a condemned man. For Stewart Reganâ??s days as the chief executive of the Scottish Football Association are surely now numbered. There is no escape route for him other than the low road south. For instance, what will he do should the Scottish Premier League perform the biggest about turn in history and when they convene their AGM next week they vote Rangers back into the SPL? After all, he made it clear that had the SPL done so in the first place he would have blocked the move by denying Rangers membership of the SFA. But that bluster was based on his belief he and Neil Doncaster could bully the Scottish Football League into parachuting Rangers into the First Division. It has proved to be a baseless belief for this pair of muppets. Thatâ??s something worth dwelling on. For if you take a good long lingering look at Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan that is exactly what they look like. A pair of muppets. It is what they sound like too. Gibbering wrecks is what they will sound like too should the Scottish Premier League chairmen and chief executives come to their senses next week at their AGM and hold another vote, one which results in Rangers being invited back into the SPL. But Rangers now hold the whip hand. They need not accept any such invitation. Rangers would be within their legal and moral rights if they refused it. After all, they have not applied a second time to join the SPL. They applied once and were refused. They then applied to join the Scottish Football League, were accepted and quite correctly, quite properly, placed in the Third Division. Now the only way Rangers can be forced to accept any invitation to rejoin the SPL would be if Stewart Regan refused to admit them to the SFA unless they did so. Which would leave Stewart Regan, the chief executive of the Scottish Football Association, looking even more miserable, more incompetent and a bigger bumbler, than he already appears. And hasten his journey on the low road south after a two year reign which has proved to be an unmitigated disaster for Scottish football. That is the law of unintended consequences.

The pulling power of Rangers, or rather the new Rangers, This is getting on my tits big time!,we need to keep correcting these idiots that we are not new Rangers!

IN the end they didn't believe. The warnings of dire consequences for some of Scotland's biggest clubs if Rangers newco were not voted into the First Division of the SFL fell on deaf ears. The offspring of the club bought by Charles Green will start life in the SFL's Third Division. Maybe. There are moves afoot to overrule the wishes of the majority. Yesterday's historic decision was, I believe, the wrong one but it must stand. Any attempt now by the SPL, who, remember, didn't want Green's club, to railroad through SPL 2 because they don't like the way the vote went would be wrong. And so, too, would any attempt by that body to run with 11 clubs next season instead of 12. Dundee haven't been told they can step up to the top flight yet and if they have to remain in the First Division, there wouldn't be a vacancy in the SFL for Rangers newco. The SPL must not dare attempt to sit this out a little longer and then, at the last possible moment, declare it would be morally wrong to run the risk of losing perhaps a quarter of their members by not allowing the Ibrox newco back in. Even if Green's club were lumbered with a raft of sanctions it would still be wrong. No one said the SPL were wrong to refuse the new outfit a space in their ranks, so the SFL's decision must also be respected. But some of those chairmen who insisted they had to listen to their fans are considering ways of getting around yesterday's vote and it would be foolish to believe the SFA haven't thought about refusing Rangers a membership to play in the Third Division. They have that power but exercising it would be an abuse of office and one of the most dastardly acts in this already shameful saga. That, too, would be wrong. Absolutely wrong. They won't do that. They couldn't but they should be making it clear they've heard the SFL's call for a 42-club solution to the game's problems even if so far neither they nor the SPL have played a blinder. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory since Rangers suffered their insolvency trauma, plunging the game into crisis. The big mistake made by the SPL clubs was to pander to allow supporters to dictate. When cold, calculating business minds were required we ended up with fans allowing hearts to rule their heads. As a consequence of that madness the clubs of the First, Second and Third divisions were asked to find a solution by accommodating Rangers newco and yesterday they welcomed the new club in. But because they refused to put a price on fair play they felt the only door they could open was the one into the bottom division. Not at all what the SPL and SFA wanted or expected. But the SPL, in their arrogance, assumed Rangers would be berthed in the First Division and had indications from their broadcast and corporate partners that current deals could remain virtually intact for a year but no longer. The pulling power of Rangers, or rather the new Rangers, is required to maintain the arrangements at today's levels but there will have to be a series of renegotiations down the way. The SFA and SPL tried hard to make chairmen aware of the consequences claiming that around £16m would be cut annually from the current deals. This, they stressed, would push three, possibly even five clubs towards administration and leave the SPL more or less down and out. Scaremongering? We'll find out soon enough but the governing bodies remain adamant their talks with all their sponsors and partners left them in no doubt about the amounts that would be lost with Rangers newco in the third. Anyone who doesn't believe Sky, ESPN and the others won't now be renegotiating their packages is deluded. But even so, the decision has been made and it must be respected, which means Regan, after he's gulped in oxygen and mustered the courage, shouldn't say he'll issue Rangers a membership to play in Scotland only if it's in the First Division. Look, the SPL charted their own course and must now live with the consequences no matter how damaging. They presented their case for Rangers newco in the First but it wasn't enough to convince the SFL to change their minds. Yesterday's decision must be respected and the message sent out that all senior clubs need to act together for change rather than plan another comfort zone for a hand-picked few should be heard and acted upon. But just in case the SPL are unwilling to accept the will of the majority vote, the SFL might want to consider their own plan. If they get Rangers in their group, and no matter the division, they'd have a terrific opportunity to become the dominant body. They'd have one half of the Old Firm and one of the biggest clubs in Britain in terms of fan numbers on side. The other half, Celtic, would of course be in the SPL but if that league's own Doomsday predictions are correct and they lose a clutch of clubs, they would be in a parlous state. They'd number, say eight while the SFL would be almost four times the size and quite possibly in a position to secure the best telly and sponsorship deals they've ever had. The SPL would be cut adrift and it would be very difficult for the SFA to stand in their way. Could the governing body ignore 30 while favouring about eight who might not have deals as lucrative as those in the SFL? But the best thing for all now would be to accept yesterday's decision and make the most of it. If the SPL clubs are smart they'll get together with the SFL and come up with a way to make changes which might minimise the damage which will be caused once the TV companies have changed their deals. The only way out of this is to work as one with the good of the game priority, although there will be casualties in the season ahead. I still believe the best solution would have been Rangers in the First Division but the overwhelming majority said no and that is that. We move on but we all need to be in step no matter our differences. Further arguments and coercion now will not help but will create wider divisions. Scottish football has to find a new way and it has to find it quickly because right now our game is in the gutter. People are laughing and yesterday, when Sky cut away from live coverage of the SFL's media conference after the vote to cover John Terry's exit from a court in London, we were put in our place. Clearly Sky believe one English player is much more important than anything that happened on one of the most historic days in Scottish football's history. We are where we are and right now that's in turmoil.

The Scottish Football Association will consider what, if any, punishments to impose on Rangers before granting membership to the new company. The Scottish Football League has voted Rangers into Division Three for the start of next season. But talks will take place next week to resolve outstanding issues such as prior penalties imposed by the SFA. The SFA had issued Rangers with a transfer embargo and a £100,000 fine for "bringing the game into disrepute". The new Rangers company will be involved in the discussions with the governing body. Continue reading the main story â??Today is a watershed for Scottish football. There will, undoubtedly, be financial consequences on the horizonâ? Stewart Regan SFA chief executive In May, before Charles Green was able to purchase the Ibrox club's assets, Rangers went to the Court of Session to overturn the 12-month transfer ban, with Lord Glennie referring the matter back to the SFA. Green had intimated that his new company would shoulder the old club's footballing responsibilities as he bargained to gain entry to the Scottish Premier League, then Division One. Meanwhile, SFA chief executive Stewart Regan is calling for unity to overcome the "financial consequences" of Rangers newco starting in Division Three. Regan had previously warned of a "slow, lingering death" for the game if Rangers were not admitted to Division One, but SFL clubs voted overwhelmingly to reject that option. "This challenge requires the collective effort not just of the Scottish FA but the respective league organisations and all member clubs," said Regan. The SPL and SFA were hopeful Rangers would be parachuted into Division One and a package of reform proposals was released on behalf of the three governing bodies two days before to the SFL's ballot. Rangers crisis explained Rangers went into administration owing up to £134m to unsecured creditors and will eventually be liquidated As a result its registrations with the Scottish FA and Scottish Premier League were terminated Charles Green led a consortium which bought Rangers' assets for £5.5m The former Sheffield United chief executive is reforming Rangers as a new company But the 'newco' did not get the required votes for re-admittance to the SPL Instead, the new Rangers will start life in Division Three An enlarged top tier was on the agenda, along with the introduction of SPL play-offs, streamlining governance and a change in the distribution of monies. However, SFL clubs were not swayed by the argument that these changes could be best implemented with Rangers in the second tier. Twenty-nine of the 30 clubs accepted Rangers as an associate member of the SFL, while 25 clubs voted in favour of placing the newco team into the bottom league. In a statement released by the SFA, Regan said: "In light of today's decision by the members of the Scottish Football League, the Scottish FA is committed to leading the challenge to reinvigorate the national game. "Today is a watershed for Scottish football. There will, undoubtedly, be financial consequences on the horizon. "Nonetheless, with togetherness, an open mind, and innovative thinking, there can also be opportunity: opportunity to restructure the game and promote competitiveness, to place greater emphasis on development of young Scottish talent and to support the financial sustainability of clubs through the Financial Fair Play model. "The SFA has offered guidance and support to the respective league bodies during this process. "The SPL and SFL enter a crucial phase ahead of the new season and they must reach agreement on the practical issues that require to be addressed within their jurisdictions. "Ultimately, there must be an outcome that enables Scottish football to move on with consensus, clarity and confidence into a new era for the national game." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18838183

DEFIANT Rangers boss Ally McCoist last night THANKED the SFL for putting Rangers into the Third Division. He insisted the Ibrox club will emerge stronger in the long run. All but five SFL sides voted to send Gers to Division Three. Rangers fans had made it clear that was where they wanted their team to go to in search of a fresh start. McCoist echoed that view, and last night he said: â??I fully accept the decision of the SFL today and thank them for allowing us into the SFL. Clearly, starting again from the bottom league is not ideal and it makes the task of rebuilding Rangers a longer one but the SFL was placed in an impossible situation and I respect its decision. â??I fully supported the fansâ?? views that starting again in Division Three maintains the sporting integrity that the SPL clubs were so keen on.â? The SFL chairmen reached their historic decision despite the pleas of the SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster and his SFA counterpart Stewart Regan. Even the sweetener of league reconstruction did not sway the lower-league supremos, who had been left seething by what they saw as a heavy-handed approach from the gameâ??s top brass. Now, unless a package of reconstruction is fast-tracked through, Gers will not be back in the top flight until 2015 at the earliest. With up to EIGHT SPL clubs facing the prospect of administration should broadcaster Sky decide to walk away from the final year of their TV deal with the SPL due to Rangersâ?? long-term absence, McCoist knows a huge chunk of the SPL could follow Gers into the mire. Ibrox legend Coisty â?? who has endured a nightmare first year as a manager since replacing Walter Smith last summer, also blamed the current crisis on past Ibrox regimes whose financial recklessness drove the club out of business. McCoist said: â??The SPL clubs and the SFA have made their positions clear over the last few weeks and it remains to be seen what the long-term effects of their decisions will be. â??Rangers has been severely punished for the actions of individuals who previously ran the club and it will take time for us to recover. â??But we will come back stronger thanks to the loyalty of the fans and the commitment of everyone at Ibrox who are working tirelessly to bring stability and success back. â??I will be carefully monitoring events and reactions over the next few days and be making further comments probably early next week.â? Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/feeds/smartphone/scotland/4428899/This-is-what-I-wanted.html#ixzz20a25kgAu

RST Board Reaction to SFL Division 3 Vote The board of the Rangers Supportersâ?? Trust (RST) welcome the vote for Rangers to join the Scottish Football League (SFL) in Division 3. Mark Dingwall, spokesman for the RST said: "This is a welcome decision which takes on board the views of the Rangers support and we look forward to getting back out on the road to support our team next season." "The SFL has taken a clear decision and they have done so with a weeksâ?? notice which is in stark contrast to the months of dithering we have seen from the SPL. "The club now must be given the time and space to recover so Stuart Regan needs to end his personal vendetta against Rangers by removing the threat of further sanctions immediately. Rangers must now be allowed to plan for next season with certainty so the football authorities must now stick with today's decisive and clear view" The Scottish Football authorities, and Scottish football in general, need to stop focussing on the punishment of our club and allow us to build from the bottom tier of Scottish football with no further sanctions. Starting from the bottom tier for our would be a low moment in our 140 year history but our club will survive and prosper again if left alone and allowed to do so. The SPL2 proposals are a non-starter and are damning of the fallacy that â??sporting integrityâ? was the main driver behind the motivation to continually punish our club. The SPL voted Rangers out of their organisation and their attempt to blackmail the SFL clubs shows â??sporting integrityâ? only goes so far.

We will probably have a better average away fans at Ibrox

Unfortunately if it's only Rangers complaining about him then it only comes across as sour grapes,it's time all the chairmen of all clubs to grow a set and say he's an incompetent arsehole, for the sake of sporting integrity

Agreed,this is not finished yet

It will be a total new start..............................if we play in the 3rd Division?

Breaking | Dorin Goian says he won't play in Division 3 with ‪#Rangers‬: "There's no way I'm playing that low, I have to find a solution" I had an agreement with Ally McCoist that I'd stay if we were relegated to D2. It's impossible to play in D4, sorry Goian:"It's very sad to leave Rangers,I was settled here,had a great life. Unfortunately I can't go on. I will never consider a Celtic move" "I can't believe this is happening, my daughter was supposed to go to school here! It's a terrible decision to leave" "I'm flying to Scotland tomorrow, that's the agreement I have with Mr. McCoist. We'll see what else can be done... From: Emanuel Roşu @Emishor FIFA Ballon d'Or Messi voter, football journalist @SportRo in Romania and a LUFC, PSG, Juve, BVB and Steaua fan Bucureşti · http://rofoot.wordpress.com/

Rangers Football Club PLC is yet another example of bad legislation. The club is one of the oldest in football history and since 1872 has led the innovations of international football. In 1899 they were incorporated into a Limited Liability Company and ultimately transferred into a public limited company. In less than a year that Craig Whyte â??ownedâ?? the club a once successful team has now been relegated to Division 3 of an already obscure Scottish Football system. It is a grave error that will cost many Scottish Clubs dearly and place new conditions on the powerful media barons into drip feeding Scottish Football per se of much needed revenue. Our investigation into Rangers Football Club PLC has unveiled corruption, and massive fraud, at the highest level involving directly lawyers, businessmen, bankers, auditors, sporting figures, football officials, and indirectly those who knew what was happening but stood idle by and did nothing. T hose include members of the SPL, the SFA and even HMRC. According to our deep rooted investigation Rangers Football Club PLC was not insolvent when Craig Whyte made the decision to place the company in administration. In less than a year over £50,000,000 was misappropriated by ever willing bankers, lawyers, and auditors all who had an interest in applying a policy of impotence or what is known in the trade as the three monkeys. Why did Craig Whyte elect to place a company that had millions in the bank in Administration? Our expose answers that truly important question in one word:-blackmail! Fear is the fuel of blackmailers and around Craig Whyte there was a whole refinery of fuel. His answer was simply to adopt the policy of â??pay and defrayâ?? which ultimately could not be sustained. It is of course true that much of the supposed liabilities of Rangers Football Club PLC were created before the dramatic entrance of Craig Whyat. The role played by Lloyds Bank PLC in permitting millions of pounds of income into the â??wrong accountâ?? is a matter that will certainly attract potential criminal sanctions and civil proceedings. The unluckiest day is not necessarily today for Anton Ferdinand or Rangers who prima facia appear to be the losers. As for Rangers the unlucky ones may well be the very clubs that have voted with malice and simply because this was their chance to extract revenge off the field when it had been impossible on the field for the past 50 years plus. There is always the sense of the little guy having his day but it will be a pyrrhic victory as those clubs will find to their cost. Sky has already stated that television rights have to be renegotiated. Anyone that knows the moods of Rupert Murdoch any renegotiation is always to the advantage of his companies. And what, as in the case of Marseille, will happen when it is ultimately found that Rangers were not insolvent after all and that they were innocent victims? It will be a lawyers field day since all the SFL Clubs that destined Rangers to the lower division may well face a claim in damages. That judicial tremor will also be felt by the SPL and the SFA who are at the end of the day also corporate bodies and their books had better balance. Over the coming days we will release the full expose into the fraud perpetrated upon an icon of an international sporting namely Rangers Football Club and denounce in the Emile Zola style â??Jâ??ACCUSE.â?

Stewart Regan, Scottish FA Chief Executive: â??In light of todayâ??s decision by the members of the Scottish Football League, the Scottish FA is committed to leading the challenge to reinvigorate the national game. â??This challenge requires the collective effort not just of the Scottish FA but the respective league organisations and all member clubs. â??Today is a watershed for Scottish football. There will, undoubtedly, be financial consequences on the horizon. None the less, with togetherness, an open mind, and innovative thinking, there can also be opportunity: opportunity to restructure the game and promote competitiveness, to place greater emphasis on development of young Scottish talent and to support the financial sustainability of clubs through the Financial Fair Play model. â??The Scottish FA has offered guidance and support to the respective league bodies during this process. The SPL and SFL enter a crucial phase ahead of the new season and they must reach agreement on the practical issues that require to be addressed within their jurisdictions. â??Ultimately, there must be an outcome that enables Scottish football to move on with consensus, clarity and confidence into a new era for the national game.â? http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2986&newsID=10196&newsCategoryID=1

It's up to us Rangers fans to keep puting them right