Time to stop pretending "it's them bloody foreigners"?

[Super_Ally 0]

For every Suarez there's a Bale, a Ramsay or a Gerrard. We all know up here in Scotland that largely the media set the agenda. They can label Lafferty or Aluko as a diver and that's their card marked for their entire career in Scotland. They can also ensure worse offenders largely get away with it by not having a giant shit storm every time Nakamura or McGeady throws himself to the floor.

 

I don't know as due to my age I can only really remember football from the mid-90's, but I wonder whether the bloody foreigners were really to blame for bringing this ugly action into our game. Or did our media just find it convenient to blame them?

 

Ramsay should have seen red only a matter of seconds before the Berra penalty incident. So that shouldn't even be a discussion point. Officials do their job properly and Wales are down to 10 men and that incident never occurs.

 

Bale is also a diving little rat bag and I wont be sad if he sees another period out of the game. I have no sympathy for cheats. And that is what he is. He has cheated another squad of players.

 

The Brits are every bit as bad, if not worse than their continental counterparts and it is past time to stop pretending that they are the blight on our game.

Edited October 13, 2012 by Super_Ally

[chilledbear 16]

These foreign johnnys have a poofy way of diving.

 

Unlike our more manly cheating.

[andy steel 0]

I go back longer than you SA, I can dimly recall the late 70s.

 

The difference between then and now is that we have the TV tech to find out what they are up to. When I got a video in the 80s, like many of you I had tape after tape with Rangers games on them, watched over and over until they were of a blurry, fuzzy quality you rarely saw or heard outside of a 12th generation bit of Dutch porn or the guidance videos they used to show in schools, when any silences between dialogue meant a build up of hiss as if a teacher had gone apeshit and introduced a bag of adders into the class.

 

One of favourites was the 5-1 game against them, the Wilkins volley one. I think I liked it especially coz that day was the first one I spent at work, in B&Q. Not a great job made worse by missing that. Having watched the whole thing many many times, I can say without fear of contradiction that when Drinkell goes down for our pen, he waits for Rogan to stick his foot on then drags both feet over it. Not that I care!

 

The point is that if a throwback forward like Drinkell was doing this around 88, UK players were certainly doing it long before as well. Nothing new under the sun and all that...it's only because media pundits don't have the guts to call out players that the foreigners get the rap. As CB says above, we just did it less obviously.

 

The day the media start really highlighting cheating - asking the players straight out, 'well, Gareth, it's clear from the video that you dived there...why did you do that?' They could have done this with Bale's dive for Spurs last week, instead of which it was greeted with the hardly believable comment 'you've got to see the funny side of football sometimes'.

 

Sky and MoTD are completely gutless on this issue.

[54andcounting 0]

Scotland's Shaun Maloney has cleared Gareth Bale of diving in winning a penalty during Wales' 2-1 win in their World Cup qualifier on Friday.

 

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/sports/maloney_believes_bale_didn_t_dive

 

Scotland lost fair and square it seems.

[GovanAllan 0]

I thought Maloney clipped his heel as well, in a nutshell though the professional footballer will do whatever it takes to win. No matter what team he plays for.

[foggy dewhurst 0]

when i asked davy wilson only last week if he ever dived he just winked and laughed .

[pete 2,499]

As far as I can remember Kenny Dalgleish dived so often he had to wear oxygen tanks on his back.

 

I think the difference is that it is accepted as part of the game and looked at as an art in Latin countries.

 

There was a discussion on this on Dutch telly a few days ago with Henk ten Cate the ex-Ajax and Barca trainer. They showed a video of Suarez diving in one of Ajax's CL games when ten Cate was manager. They asked him if he thought it was a penalty at the time and he said no. Asked if he cautioned Suarez for diving, he said he had a word after the game. Asked why not pull him off for cheating he said there is far too much money hanging on it and you need every help you can get.

[Guest cail]

I go back longer than you SA, I can dimly recall the late 70s.

 

The difference between then and now is that we have the TV tech to find out what they are up to. When I got a video in the 80s, like many of you I had tape after tape with Rangers games on them, watched over and over until they were of a blurry, fuzzy quality you rarely saw or heard outside of a 12th generation bit of Dutch porn or the guidance videos they used to show in schools, when any silences between dialogue meant a build up of hiss as if a teacher had gone apeshit and introduced a bag of adders into the class.

 

One of favourites was the 5-1 game against them, the Wilkins volley one. I think I liked it especially coz that day was the first one I spent at work, in B&Q. Not a great job made worse by missing that. Having watched the whole thing many many times, I can say without fear of contradiction that when Drinkell goes down for our pen, he waits for Rogan to stick his foot on then drags both feet over it. Not that I care!

 

The point is that if a throwback forward like Drinkell was doing this around 88, UK players were certainly doing it long before as well. Nothing new under the sun and all that...it's only because media pundits don't have the guts to call out players that the foreigners get the rap. As CB says above, we just did it less obviously.

 

The day the media start really highlighting cheating - asking the players straight out, 'well, Gareth, it's clear from the video that you dived there...why did you do that?' They could have done this with Bale's dive for Spurs last week, instead of which it was greeted with the hardly believable comment 'you've got to see the funny side of football sometimes'.

 

Sky and MoTD are completely gutless on this issue.

 

Right to a point.

EVERY player,be they "Foreign" or not,should be called out every time they cheat to gain an advantage.

[Guest cail]

Scotland's Shaun Maloney has cleared Gareth Bale of diving in winning a penalty during Wales' 2-1 win in their World Cup qualifier on Friday.

 

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/sports/maloney_believes_bale_didn_t_dive

 

Scotland lost fair and square it seems.

 

Reading that reminded me of this story,

 

t doesn’t really matter how many times you tell the story – it’s worth repeating again. It‘s the one about the quiet man of Anfield, Chris Lawler, and his former boss Bill Shankly. Bill used to take training sessions very seriously when it got round to the 7–a-side matches and this day we were playing without proper goals. Bill hit a shot and claimed a goal which everyone else knew would have gone over the bar. Anyway, to try and get some support for his view that he had scored he turned to Chris and asked him whether it was a goal or not. Chris said that it wasn’t and would have gone over the bar and Bill had everyone in stitches when he turned round and told anyone who would listen: “He doesn’t say a word for years and then when he does he tells a lie.”

[forlanssister 3,060]

I doubt anyone will be able to top Lee McCulloch's dive at Stirling Albion last weekend.