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[The Real PapaBear 0]

Socialism has failed in every country that has ever implemented it.

 

Capitalism, on the other hand, has been a roaring success.

[calscot 0]

The Tories totally showed where democracy can be flawed and completely abused the whole philosophy. They had no votes in Scotland and so had no interest in our country except as a dumping ground.

 

That's not the way democracy is supposed to work and shows a lack of understanding or care of the process by the Tories. They acted like a malevolent dictatorship in Scotland - we were more like a disposable satellite state and shame on them for that. How can you even trust a party after acting like that? A party that doesn't care about real democracy - it's not even traditionally British in the slightest and therefore they don't really represent true British values.

[Chibmark 15]

Capitalism, on the other hand, has been a roaring success.

 

Totally agree.

[alexscottislegend 2,072]

Socialism has failed in every country that has ever implemented it.

It didn't fail in Russia from 1917 to 1923 when the revolution was defeated and betrayed by the West and their White armies. It has never been fully implemented anywhere . The nearest modern approach would be Venezuela, but that is a work in progress.

[alexscottislegend 2,072]

The whole point of independence is that we would always get the government/party that we vote for.

If there is a Yes vote, there will be an interim period of caretaker government until the next elections the following year. If the people continue to vote SNP, so be it. If they want to vote for Labour or anyone else, so be that, too. I believe the official term is "democracy"

 

FWI, I think the SNP would cease to exist in its present form after independence as its raison d'etre would have gone.

At the moment it contains people from left and right, who often make uneasy bedfellows. After independence the party would probably split and one of those wings leave to form another party.

 

By the way, "tartan tories"? How old *are* you? You'll be talking about Dr Findlays Casebook next.

By 'tartan tories' I just meant a shorthand way to summarise the fact that they are a capitalist party; you may be right in that, post-independence, they would change radically.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

It didn't fail in Russia from 1917 to 1923 when the revolution was defeated and betrayed by the West and their White armies. It has never been fully implemented anywhere . The nearest modern approach would be Venezuela, but that is a work in progress.

 

Venezuela; a small oil rich country whose masses lived in abject poverty until Chavez came to power. This 'dictator' was elected time and again by the mass of the people, introduced massive improvements in social health care, education, housing and wealth distribution - no wonder the United States hated him.

[simplythebest 0]

Q.E.D.

 

Not in Scotland.

 

Scotland is part of the UK and gets a vote like everyone in the UK. The fact Scotland makes up a smaller part of the UK is just how it goes.

 

I tried to vote the SNP out in 2011 yet they won by a landslide.

[simplythebest 0]

The Tories totally showed where democracy can be flawed and completely abused the whole philosophy. They had no votes in Scotland and so had no interest in our country except as a dumping ground.

 

That's not the way democracy is supposed to work and shows a lack of understanding or care of the process by the Tories. They acted like a malevolent dictatorship in Scotland - we were more like a disposable satellite state and shame on them for that. How can you even trust a party after acting like that? A party that doesn't care about real democracy - it's not even traditionally British in the slightest and therefore they don't really represent true British values.

If you're referring to Thatcher, before my time but my mum certainly tells me a different story to yourself. She also tells me about the 70s with regular black outs, bodies piling up, the trade unions running riot. Sounds like wonderful times pre-Thatcher/Tories.

[calscot 0]

If you're referring to Thatcher, before my time but my mum certainly tells me a different story to yourself. She also tells me about the 70s with regular black outs, bodies piling up, the trade unions running riot. Sounds like wonderful times pre-Thatcher/Tories.

 

I did say that the Tories did some good and the loony left were out of control. But then the Nazi's would tell the same story as you...

 

The Tories improved some things then shafted a whole nation and then ruined the foundations of the economy of the UK for generations to come. I remember the affluent days of the Labour spending years, doesn't mean that they did the country much good today. However, Labour built on the mistakes of Tories as that's the only way they could be voted in. The thing people now forget is that under the Tories it could have been worse as they voiced that the Labour government controls for the banks were too tight...

 

But the biggest thing for me is how the Tories shafted Scotland because there was no votes there - a disgraceful way for a party to act. You may vote against the SNP and they still get in BUT they will NOT do the same to a safe Tory region of Scotland. I'm ambivalent about the SNP but I doubt ANY party would have done what the Tories did. It's completely unethical and against the philosophy of democracy.

 

People were asking what the difference was when we were given our devolved government and Labour were elected in - the same as the UK government. The point was we could vote them out any time we liked - and now have done.

[simplythebest 0]

I did say that the Tories did some good and the loony left were out of control. But then the Nazi's would tell the same story as you...

 

The Tories improved some things then shafted a whole nation and then ruined the foundations of the economy of the UK for generations to come. I remember the affluent days of the Labour spending years, doesn't mean that they did the country much good today. However, Labour built on the mistakes of Tories as that's the only way they could be voted in. The thing people now forget is that under the Tories it could have been worse as they voiced that the Labour government controls for the banks were too tight...

 

But the biggest thing for me is how the Tories shafted Scotland because there was no votes there - a disgraceful way for a party to act. You may vote against the SNP and they still get in BUT they will NOT do the same to a safe Tory region of Scotland. I'm ambivalent about the SNP but I doubt ANY party would have done what the Tories did. It's completely unethical and against the philosophy of democracy.

 

People were asking what the difference was when we were given our devolved government and Labour were elected in - the same as the UK government. The point was we could vote them out any time we liked - and now have done.

Correct me if i'm wrong but did the Conservatives not still have a reasonable number of Scottish seats in Westminster in the periods you're talking about? Well in the minority I know but still something like 10-20? And it was 1997 when they got totally wiped out?