der Berliner 3,263 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 D'Artagan, despite everything that has happened, a sizeable number of Rangers fans think we're heroes even though we've been through administration, liquidation ... Ahem, nope. Not even Oldco is through with liquidation, neither de jure nor de facto. It beggars belief that so many Rangers fans can't get their head around this. Regarding the topic. King could steady the ship, give it a basis to work with. We and he all saw what happened with the SDM regime and would not do the same mistakes again. Even though the "mistakes" are still very much up for debate. Yet, King giving financial stability as long as we're on the way back would sure ease many a people's nerves. And I am not saying that he should pump millions of pounds into the club, just him being there should the club need some monetary back up. There is no reason to think that a club on such sure footing (for the time being) would not strife to be run effectivly and with a close relation between board and fans. If you really want a club "run" by fans, you'd have to adopt a German-like model (Hamburg, Bayern et al) that is rather unlikely in Britain, not to speak of the current factions amongst the Bears. And make no mistake about it, these clubs are run by boards of businessmen (not fans) too ... and as we have seen with Bayern and Ulli Hoeneß of late, not exactly by the most honest people. We can dream of ideals all day long, in our current state, we need stability. If that stability is being provided by Bluenoses like King all the better. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildy 0 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 D'Artagnan, how can we stop a dictator doing the wrong things? We couldn't even ask supplementary questions latterly in the Murray years. All-powerful owners don't like to be taken to task for their shortcomings. A fan-owned club wouldn't be run by the fans. It would be run by the best professionals available and they'd be accountable to the support. We would e!ect a president using a one member, one vote system and tiny factions wouldn't matter so much because tens of thousands of fans would vote in presidential elections. We worship businessmen at Rangers as though they are infallible gods. It's an old working-class failing - doffing caps to our 'betters'. When will we learn to sweep away shysters who pay themselves too much and who mostly care for the club far less than we do? What is the matter with us that we need to beg for rich men to cast an eye in our direction? Whatever dignity we have left should be used to make Rangers Football Club a fan-owned democratic entity - a club that can rest forever in the hands of those who care for it more than random strangers ever will. No more pleading to be saved; no more begging: no more forelock-tugging: no more being looked down on: no more master and servant: no more being an obedient football proletariat and no more tolerance of shoddy professionalism, incompetence, dishonesty, dictatorship and being shafted every which way. We need an Ibrox Spring to remove the deadwood and begin the Blue Revolution. It's time to have faith and belief in ourselves. This ownership farce has gone on too long - and we are paying a hefty price for tolerating it. Use your quill as you usually do, D'Artagnan - productively. Begging letters just aren't your style. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca72 440 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What you are advocating sounds great in theory, eh? Dreams are great, bud. Then there is real life ... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,263 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Sidenote, a majority shareholder a.k.a. "owner" like SDM/King does not equal a "dictator". There are as many shades to a single owner as there would be to "democracy" or "oligarchy" at the top. As far as we know, King is not only an accomplished businessman (like Murray was), but also a level-headed Bluenose. This is all neat and fine, BTW, but as long as King does not make a move (bar some well-publicised dashes to Scotland), all very hypothetical. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildy 0 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Sidenote, a majority shareholder a.k.a. "owner" like SDM/King does not equal a "dictator". There are as many shades to a single owner as there would be to "democracy" or "oligarchy" at the top. As far as we know, King is not only an accomplished businessman (like Murray was), but also a level-headed Bluenose. This is all neat and fine, BTW, but as long as King does not make a move (bar some well-publicised dashes to Scotland), all very hypothetical. Is this what Hull City fans want - or is it what one man wants? Hull City have formally applied to the Football Association to change the club's name to Hull Tigers from next season. Owner Assem Allam wants to rebrand the Premier League club to appeal to a wider international audience. Allam announced in August that the business that runs the club had already been changed to Hull City Tigers. Unhappy Hull supporters have set up the "City Till We Die" protest group to oppose the plans. Any application to alter a club's name must be approved by an FA council and no change can come into effect until the next season. The FA said the council would use "absolute discretion" in deciding whether to approve the plan. Egypt-born Allam, who moved to Hull in 1968, took charge of the club in December 2010 and last season oversaw promotion to the top flight for only the second time in the club's 109-year history. Allam, 74, is credited with rescuing Hull from administration but has been at odds with supporters over his plans to change the club's name. He said in a newspaper interview that his opponents could "die as soon as they want", with manager Steve Bruce later claiming the owner had been misinterpreted. Allam met with Hull supporters to discuss the issue and offered to refund the cost of season tickets to unhappy fans. Allam said in August he believed a Tigers brand would be more marketable, adding that he considered the word City to be "lousy" and "common". Hull have been known as "the Tigers" for most of their history, with the nickname thought to have been coined by a Hull Daily Mail reporter in 1905 in reference to the club's black and amber kit. Hull City are 12th in the Premier League and face Stoke City at the KC Stadium on Saturday. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,263 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Allam is neither SDM nor Dave King, so what? Hadrian was no Trajan who in turn was no Stalin etc. pp. . 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildy 0 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Allam is neither SDM nor Dave King, so what? Hadrian was no Trajan who in turn was no Stalin etc. pp. . Allam, or someone just like him, could land at our door. The risk is ever-present. We've already had Craig Whyte. If we haven't learned our lesson from all that has happened, and is happening elsewhere, we will continue to have an uncertain future - and maybe a very bleak one. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ahem, nope. Not even Oldco is through with liquidation, neither de jure nor de facto. It beggars belief that so many Rangers fans can't get their head around this. Regarding the topic. King could steady the ship, give it a basis to work with. We and he all saw what happened with the SDM regime and would not do the same mistakes again. Even though the "mistakes" are still very much up for debate. Yet, King giving financial stability as long as we're on the way back would sure ease many a people's nerves. And I am not saying that he should pump millions of pounds into the club, just him being there should the club need some monetary back up. There is no reason to think that a club on such sure footing (for the time being) would not strife to be run effectivly and with a close relation between board and fans. If you really want a club "run" by fans, you'd have to adopt a German-like model (Hamburg, Bayern et al) that is rather unlikely in Britain, not to speak of the current factions amongst the Bears. And make no mistake about it, these clubs are run by boards of businessmen (not fans) too ... and as we have seen with Bayern and Ulli Hoeneß of late, not exactly by the most honest people. We can dream of ideals all day long, in our current state, we need stability. If that stability is being provided by Bluenoses like King all the better. Semantics. Oldco WILL be liquidated. Of that there is no doubt. How long you continue to hang onto such semantics is, of course, your business. But Oldco WILL be liquidated. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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