ian1964 10,416 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,247 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Could have been a goal-feast given the chances missed. Exactly the environment our youth chaps should face to hone their skills and become better players. Wonder where Hardie was today ... and now I know it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Could have been a goal-feast given the chances missed. Exactly the environment our youth chaps should face to hone their skills and become better players. Wonder where Hardie was today ... and now I know it. Young PSV play 2nd division NL league football which gives them a huge advantage imo. Rangers should have a team in the lower leagues in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,381 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Young PSV play 2nd division NL league football which gives them a huge advantage imo. Rangers should have a team in the lower leagues in Scotland. What level is that on the league ladder? Edited July 31, 2017 by Rousseau 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 2,473 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Poor finishing from both sides on display, should have finished 7-3. Here's the thing for us to figure out, if those two teams met five years ago at under 15 level the teams would have been much closer, indeed the Rangers side might well have been better. What happens to our players between the ages of 15 to 19 that doesn't happen to the Dutch (or the Italians, the Germans, the French, the Croatians....)? They've got just as many 'cultural distractions' in Holland as Scotland. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 What level is that on the league ladder? Sorry the second tier. The Netherlands only has 2 professional levels. De Ere divisie and the Juplier league. Besuchen Sie bitte die deutsche Version dieser Web-Seite auf FlashScore.de Voetbal »Nederland » Jupiler League » 2017/2018 Jupiler League Samenvatting Uitslagen Schema Stand Teams Archief Schema StandNEDERLAND: Jupiler League Speelronde 1 18.08. 20:00 Cambuur Jong Ajax 18.08. 20:00 Den Bosch Jong AZ 18.08. 20:00 Eindhoven Telstar 18.08. 20:00 Fort. Sittard Dordrecht 18.08. 20:00 MVV G.A. Eagles 18.08. 20:00 NEC Almere 18.08. 20:00 RKC Waalwijk FC Emmen 18.08. 20:00 Volendam Helmond Sport 21.08. 20:00 Jong PSV De Graafschap 21.08. 20:00 Jong Utrecht Oss Toon meer wedstrijden Stand Vorm Meer/Minder HT/FT Totaal Thuis Uit Vorm 1. De Graafschap 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 2. Cambuur 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 3. Den Bosch 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 4. Dordrecht 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 5. Eindhoven 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 6. FC Emmen 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 7. Helmond Sport 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 8. MVV 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 9. Almere 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 10. Fort. Sittard 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 11. Telstar 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 12. Oss 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 13. Volendam 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 14. RKC Waalwijk 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 15. NEC 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 16. G.A. Eagles 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 17. Jong PSV 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 18. Jong Ajax 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 19. Jong AZ 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 20. Jong Utrecht 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 So as you can see Young(Jong) PSV, Ajax, AZ, and Utrecht all play in that league. They can become champion but wii not be promoted to the Ere divisie. Jong Ajax finished second last season to VVV where Zelalem went to. I am not sure how often he played. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,381 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Sorry the second tier. The Netherlands only has 2 professional levels. De Ere divisie and the Juplier league. Besuchen Sie bitte die deutsche Version dieser Web-Seite auf FlashScore.de Voetbal »Nederland » Jupiler League » 2017/2018 Jupiler League Samenvatting Uitslagen Schema Stand Teams Archief Schema StandNEDERLAND: Jupiler League Speelronde 1 18.08. 20:00 Cambuur Jong Ajax 18.08. 20:00 Den Bosch Jong AZ 18.08. 20:00 Eindhoven Telstar 18.08. 20:00 Fort. Sittard Dordrecht 18.08. 20:00 MVV G.A. Eagles 18.08. 20:00 NEC Almere 18.08. 20:00 RKC Waalwijk FC Emmen 18.08. 20:00 Volendam Helmond Sport 21.08. 20:00 Jong PSV De Graafschap 21.08. 20:00 Jong Utrecht Oss Toon meer wedstrijden Stand Vorm Meer/Minder HT/FT Totaal Thuis Uit Vorm 1. De Graafschap 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 2. Cambuur 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 3. Den Bosch 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 4. Dordrecht 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 5. Eindhoven 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 6. FC Emmen 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 7. Helmond Sport 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 8. MVV 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 9. Almere 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 10. Fort. Sittard 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 11. Telstar 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 12. Oss 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 13. Volendam 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 14. RKC Waalwijk 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 15. NEC 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 16. G.A. Eagles 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 17. Jong PSV 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 18. Jong Ajax 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 19. Jong AZ 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 20. Jong Utrecht 0 0 0 0 0:0 0 So as you can see Young(Jong) PSV, Ajax, AZ, and Utrecht all play in that league. They can become champion but wii not be promoted to the Ere divisie. Jong Ajax finished second last season to VVV where Zelalem went to. I am not sure how often he played. That's interesting. Are they competitive, generally speaking? I need to look into this further! It must help development; Spanish sides do the same and both are known as being the best at producing young players. I think GZ has developed an attitude problem - 9 games (and 1 goal!?) last season according to Wikipedia. Edited July 31, 2017 by Rousseau 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,381 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I see Jong Ajax and Jong PSV have been finishing mid-table over the last few seasons, which is quite impressive; 2nd and 4th last season is really impressive. That can only benefit the first team. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,151 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 They looked a good team but we seemed to lack organisation at the back and in central midfield. I see Rossiter scored in our second game which was a 2-2 each draw with Wolves. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 2,473 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Surely the same thing can be achieved by putting the players out on loan in the second tier? There's a lot of opposition to 'reserve' sides in the lower leagues and I can sympathise with it. In end it can't just be about playing regular football, there must be more to it than that. Ryan Hardie has played 50 senior first team games and scored 18 goals, a decent return by any measurement, yet looks further from our first team than ever now. A 20 year old, six foot 2 inch 'natural' goal scorer who has been in our system for years should be getting the side built around him, yet would any of us be surprised if he was released in the next 12 months? It's really frustrating, what are we doing wrong? McKay was going the same way until Warburton arrived, is it all down to belief and being given a chance? Surely not. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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