BrahimHemdani

I agree that it seemed to come more form the centre.

As I said a few posts back, I am more than happy to praise their efforts in Leipzig, honestly they were immense. In fact the local polis got fed up having to holt the march as the UB's (sorry Ultras!) continually regrouped to much banging of drums etc. That is what led to some good- humoured snowballing of the polis, though they clearly didn't see it that way and donned riot gear. For a few minutes it looked a bit edgy but fortunately some wiser old heads prevailed on them to lower the profile a bit and all was well. I don't know what they're on when they jump up and down at Ibrox but so long as all they do is sing and dance about it doesn't worry me. Once they interfere with the game however or their behaviour becomes otherwise unacceptable that's a different matter entirely. We have the same issue in the Main Stand with ST seats sold to all comers for non ST home games. I used to buy tickets outside the ground before I got my ST and often found myself in amongst the such and such RSC Loyal in the Broomloan, I recall the Darlington guys in particular being fond of a refreshment on their journeys. There is a wide spectrum of what different folk regard as "normal/acceptable" behaviour. As to what the Club could do about it, well, when I went to see Independiente v Racing in Buenos Aires a few years back, they breathalised anyone who looked at all dodgy outside the ground. Sober or not the home fans did the bouncy and kept up a hell of a racket throughout the match. Not sure if it would work here though. Might cut the crowds quite a bit.

Ah, thank you very much, I see what he meant now. In that case I'd say yes it is; because it indicates to the rest of us the severity of the punishment.

I agree it's much ado about nothing but sadly we are being scrutinised from all angles by all concerned on our return to Europe and I would like to extend my foray to Luxembourg next week to Cyprus and beyond, relying on our on field performances rather than being at risk from the off field antics of some of our fellow supporters.

So you have, in fact you seem to revel in it. And so what? Why would I have any knowledge of the the UB, Rangers Ultras, or any such group; I have no interest in them whatsoever. And before you say it, just because I have held a number of positions in fans' groups doesn't obligate me to make a study of all such groups.

I'd say that would do it

Yes I am indeed. Because BD didn't so intimate when he issued the ban to LB. If it is important that you intimate to the whole board how long a ban is, which I agree with BTW, then why didn't BD do just that?

Fine by me, Pete. I assume you mean " Is it NOT important that we intimate to the whole board how long a ban is. "

There were not "thousands throwing paper on"; there were only a handful, certainly in terms of those which reached the pitch. Where I agree with you is that a lot of referees would have just got on with the game. I'm sure they'll be plenty of volunteers for Club 1872 Euro Watch trips; perhaps even increase the membership.

Who is it then, TBH I know nothing about these groups, other than what I see at Ibrox and saw in Leipzig?

I think the 25 or so who made the trip are to be commended but agree this needs to be looked at because there must have been more than 2,000 empty seats (capacity 50,817 attendance 48,681) that cost us circa £20,000. I know the visiting team are entitled to 5% of the seats but I also know that there is a cut off for requesting and returning unwanted tickets. In this case it must have been known quite early that they would only be bringing a handful (or a mini bus full) so enough time allocate a different area. The issue might be if the tickets were already issued for that area but there were so few they could easily have been given new seats with some co-ordination or even outside the ground. There were more stewards than away fans so far as I could see.

Pardon me; but if you read Craig's posts #160 to #163 it seems that he was not aware of the ban and certainly not aware of the length of the ban you rightly imposed.

Cut a hole in the bag then.

I must admit that I did not have a high opinion of the UB until I saw them in Leipzig. Apart from a few snowballs thrown at the police, their organisation was excellent on the long march from town to the ground and their behaviour exemplary. Credit where credit is due. My only concern is a black, Rangers Ultras flag that I first saw in Leipzig and subsequently at least once in that area of the crowd in the Broamloan Front side nearest the Main Stand at Ibrox. I don't know if that is the UB or another group but it is a worrying development.

Perhaps, but those who threw the paper are morons.

Some idiots were still throwing stuff on after the ref had stopped the restart and stewards were on clearing up.

It as a great display as well.

I referred to the PL as an example of LB's opinion being correct IMHO; not to look for any reaction. I would have thought that admins would discuss bans or at least inform other admins about the reason (albeit obvious in this case) and length of such bans; to avoid just such confusion.

Agreed, please see #152

Dear member, Club 1872 commends the vast majority of the Rangers support for their conduct over the course of the game last night - which marked our long awaited, winning return to European competition. The atmosphere was very positive and a colourful display by the Union Bears at the start of the game added to the overall spectacle. The Rangers support can be a great asset to the Europa League this season and we hope to see many more nights like this in the coming months. Unfortunately we have today been informed that the actions of a small number of supporters in the Broomloan Stand, who threw balled-up pieces of paper onto the pitch, has led to Rangers being cited by UEFA. Whilst this appeared to be meant in good humour and was carried out by a number of younger supporters, it has nonetheless led directly to a situation where Rangers now have to put forward a submission to UEFA. At this stage we are unsure of the nature of any possible sanction, if any. We appreciate that most supporters will see this as a very minor matter, and we would share that view. However, it is another reminder that we have to hold ourselves to as high a standard as possible. We want to see colourful displays at the stadium in the future and would ask supporters not to risk jeopardising these. We will be liaising with Rangers on this issue and will seek to gain a better understanding of how a citation of this type comes about following what, on the face of things, seems to be such an innocuous incident. We hope that this will allow us to better inform our supporters in the future about how they can avoid action, and walk the fine line that exists between enjoying the game and potentially falling foul of UEFA regulations. Club 1872 A reasonable statement though it's not clear to me why Club 1872 needs to commend good conduct which should be the norm. However, the statement is spoiled by the last paragraph IMO. " innocuous incident" or not, which bit of you can't through anything on the pitch is it they don't get? "We hope that this will allow us to better inform our supporters in the future about how they can avoid action" Answer - don't through things. "walk the fine line that exists between enjoying the game and potentially falling foul of UEFA regulations."? What fine line is that. Don't sing banned songs, don't run on and don't throw stuff on the pitch - simples.

I think he was pissed and has been before but he's entitled to his opinion about Pedro, albeit he could express it better and IMO he's not always wrong e.g. about honesty in Prediction league forecasts; so perhaps a temporary ban to allow him to sober up?

I think JFK has had a "balance" transfer; happy to agree with this post, though apparently he won't read my comments.

They do and I agree but the goalkeeper is German with experience in the lower leagues and they have several Frenchmen and others in the squad.

I realise that and tried to word my first line accordingly, I thought "difficulty getting beyond Q2" would include difficulty getting to Q2. That said, I saw nothing in Progres to worry us in the second leg. I'm confident that even in our current "work in progress" we've got enough to reach Q2. Getting beyond that will be problematic IMO.

I'm fairly sure we've agreed at least once in the past; but thanks for the endorsement. I do have good ideas from time to time.