GovanAllan

So you can't see the difference in the two scenarios?

So we where making 10mill profit a year, that's news to me. Now take that 10mill away after the CL shambles.

So they trust a guy who just days before this bid brought two rip roaring Mhanks to the table, and now won't tell us who is behind him this time. As 3909 04 says total hypocrisy.

It would appear they want their cake and eat it.

I'm finished Pete, apologies again.

If you want to call me a liar go ahead it seems to be what your getting at, don't know if you go to Ibrox much but if you think it's still all up to our knees then you ain't been for a longtime. In fact last season there wasn't any singing except for BF1 and I can't remember them singing banned songs. So in other words your talking pish.

Might as well be bit pointless debating with you on this, you just see religion everywhere.

Well there's no ****** or FTP where I sit.

Apart from the Celtic game all that crap has gone from the songbook BM.

Finally..............

Are just trying to miss the point on this? There is very little knuckle dragging at Rangers these days, and for the final time if you would just take your blinkers off and read the bloody post. So Motherwell, Hearts, and any other club who have a mainly C of S support hate us because we have a mainly C of S support, that's what you believe? THEY DON'T HATE US BECAUSE OF RELIGION. If you can't get that I'm lost to explain it any other way.

Cal I'm not in the least religious we've had this talk before, but I respect others beliefs. I don't respect the organised attempts who push those beliefs on any side of the fence, any man/woman should be allowed to make up their own mind on what any of their books claim to be the truth and talk to their god where they like its a simple human right without Church's getting involved. I can't actually think of many Anti-Anything songs we sing these days. I've got friend who are catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Jewish they know I don't have much time for their churchs but their still my friends nothing changes. We are all different and nothing will change that, this thread is about why the other fans hate us, all I've said is it's got nothing to do with us being portrayed as a Protestant club.

Tut tut so you can't answer my question? For the record I'm not religious in the least but people have the right to be if they choose, they don't deserve guys like you screaming at them that religion is mumbo jumbo. The thread is about why people don't like us you claim it's mainly because we are a Protestant club who wave the union flag about and sing about past battles and we should get rid of all that baggage? You brought religion into it not me, I said its because we are seen as " A shower of arrogant pricks who don't give a damn about anybody and make a point of letting them know about it any chance we get ". A direct quote said to my face by a Aberdeen fan one day he was a good prod as well so kind of blows your religion theory out the water. Fine get shot of it all the battle songs and the union flag and support of the queen everything you claim makes us hated will anything change? NO NO NO, because that's not why other fans hate us plain and simple. If you think different then I'm sorry but you have a problem in understanding what the problem is. Now did you mange to understand that?

Cal numbers shouldn't matter if you have the right system, for whatever reason we fail to produce the best players but for some reason all the best coaches come here to learn their trade. So what happens when they finish here and go back home?

Missed my point mate, I'm not saying the Dutch system is wrong but is it the best out their, compared to Germany or Spain. My wee ones are using the Alax system at the moment who aren't even the best in Holland. I'm only asking why do we always look to the Dutch when we want an answer instead of looking to the actual powerhouses of world football.

Scottish Football is fubar. And nobody seems to have a clue what to do.

Can I ask why we always want to be like the Dutch system? They win nothing in world football can we not be like the German system they've been churning out top players and great teams for years. The facilities in Scotland are improving almost every town in the central belt will have a 3/4g pitch mostly because the Blaze/Gruss pitches we all remember them right, are illegal now and the kids aren't allowed to play or train on them. And believe it or not the council don't want you playing on the grass pitches during the summer and your not allowed to train on most of them.

You can push Wallace forward tho.

Div1 without a doubt.

Are his backers going to be there with their plan or is it just another propaganda meeting where he chucks mud about for half an hour.

Cal mate that's the biggest generalisation I've read on here, I'm not in the OL never have never will but a good few mates of mine are so I can see it from their point of view as well. They don't march to hate not the ones I know anyway.

So can you explain to me why stopping singing certain songs no idea what ones it is by the way, stop waving the national flag, stop giving free tickets to troops that gets certain folks backs right up. Stop wearing the Poppy another thing that gets them going and I'm not just talking about the Orcs. If we do that we will be loved I don't want to be loved by everyone that's a Tim thing. They hate us because we win most things and aren't slow about reminding everyone of them about it any chance we get. They hate us because they've been programmed to hate us by folk telling them we are big bad Rangers and it's our fault their team is pish and bigotry only exists because of us. You can do everything you want to suck up the arse of these people they will still hate you just because you wear a blue football top if you can't grasp that then I'm sorry but it's not me with the problem. They hate us because we aren't them plain and simple.

Tell you what boys I'm finished with this if the only reason you think we are hated is because we are seen as the main Protestant club in Scotland who want the union and love our monarch. Then I'm sorry but this country is more f#*ked than I thought and it's time pack the bags because the bigots have won. With that I withdraw.

And your missing the point that Rangers are extension of people's life you can't ask people to ignore who they are just to support Rangers. I don't care if you think religion shouldn't be at football it is, religion is everywhere whether you like it or not and unless you ban religion you won't separate the two. Are you seriously saying we are only hated because we are the prodomiant Protestant team in Scotland? Because I know Protestants who hate us with a passion and it's nothing to do with religion. So I take it we are getting down to songs and banners so what songs should go?

So we are disliked because we are seen as Protestant, Pro-Union, and defenders of the monarchy and that's our problem.