SteveC

"a little bit passive" and "a lot of bits of not trying, passing into touch and generally not being at the races"

Which begs the question - why was he on the bench?

Could we try that next week, just to see if you are right?

Edit: Sorry, thought you were saying I was a member of a group who had decided to think this way, not that there were people agreeing with what I said. (Which I am now presuming was the intent) Trying to get back to football: "And a lot of players making the wrong decision or managing to hit the only thing that stopped them from scoring." - yes, that's right. It isn't ill luck, it is bad play! That's what I have been saying while you have been calling it "ill luck". Thank you for now agreeing that it is: "a lot of players making the wrong decision or managing to hit the only thing that stopped them from scoring".

Not mentioned in the TV coverage, I presume.

Yes, agreed - but it's far easier said than done. They'll sell players who looked good v Man City for a barrowload and reinvest that in the summer. If (a big if, thankfully) they get into the group stages again - then more money pours in. So we don't need to just progress - we need to progress at a far faster rate than them. It's scary when you think about it.

The reason I don't accept it is not due to one game, it is because you have said it for months. It's not that long ago you said we'd had "ill luck" in front of goal whereas what had happened was that we had finished poorly. Prior to that you repeatedly said the visiting goalies had played blinders when in fact our poor shooting had made most saves easy for them, one or two good or reasonable saves do not a "blinder" make - it's what they are supposed to do. "For that is just your opinion" Of course it's just my opinion - what am I supposed to do, post in with other people's opinions rather than my own??? "lacks IMHO objectivity." - right back at you. You say "luck and breaks" are "part of the game" - but for you they are always against us. We are always cursed by "ill luck" in front of goal", always. that takes a lack of objectivity to ludicrous extremes, IMHO. That's without even pointing to the old saying "you make your own luck". And I belong to no cohort - here or anywhere else.

Yes, that's how it should work - but hardly ever does. Why pick bloody today, of all days, to be the exception and do the right thing (if it was a penalty) And the reason why is the pressure he's been put under. I've no doubt that if he hadn't given Ross County a penalty he'd have done bugger all today, whether he thought it was a penalty or not.

It may well have been - as I said previously, I have seen two camera angles and from one it seems a definite penalty and from the other it wasn't. - but my point is that the ref could not see it from either of those angles, however. He couldn't see through the player to see when the contact with the ball was made. The ref couldn't give it and the linesman didn't give it. Don Robertson gave it and regardless of whether it was or was not, that is highly unusual. Of course we didn't deserve anything. However, that could have changed things. We were looking better and that ended that spell

Just shows how bad we were

I think the reference is to Don Robertson rather than Willie Collum and get to him they did. It's hardly normal for a behind the goal assistant to make such a decision. They usually do or say nothing unless consulted (and usually not then either). Dire though we were in the first half, that moment came at a critical juncture - we had two subs on, we'd been a bit more aggressive and then we were flattened by a decision made by the very man they had hounded all week.

Warning folks - horrific soundtrack to this

Yes indeed. Tom English for BBCeltic: "This was a difficult day for Rangers, but one can only speculate as to how much sorer it might have been had Andy Halliday been sent off after lunging in on Patrick Roberts early on. The Rangers midfielder took Roberts out and was fortunate to see yellow instead of red. Rangers had been fortunate to escape a dismissal earlier with Halliday and were lucky again when Myles Beerman, already on a yellow for fouling Roberts, impeded him again a minute later."

Agreed and I wouldn't have played Garner or Waghorn either. I said this pre-kick off, btw, it's not hindsight speaking but we don't see training, Toral apparently wasn't considered 100% (so why have him on the bench one wonders) . Will be - to say the least - intriguing to see who starts on Saturday.

Yes, the lack of fight was awful. I think though that there is a connection. When players know that their opponents are far better players, it can inspire defiance but it can, at other times lead to a depressive slump. We are playing them too often for it not to happen in some games. PS Our big danger is it becoming just an accepted thing. Today was bizarre for an OF (or "Glasgow derby" as the Beeb now call it, under instruction) semi-final. It was like a training match at times.

Yep, it is that simple really. When they had the likes of Wayne Biggins and co. then we strolled it. Now we have the diddies and they are strolling it. It's pretty inevitable. Any win the other way was and is a shock.

No, indeed not. The date of the game was not known when the weekend arrangements were made and neither of us knew the other would be there come to that.

tav absolutely touched the ball. Question is if it was before or after he took the player. I saw it from two angles - one it looked like a good tackle and the other like a clear penalty! I'm not kidding - two completely different impressions from two different cameras.

Next week I will be watching it in the company of one of them - a situation due entirely to reasons outwith football. Wish me well.

You say this every week, every week I tell you that it can't be down to luck time after time = it's poor play, poor finishing, poor decision making. Headers placed at the keeper rather than past him and into the net, same with shots. We weren't unlucky today - we were bloody lucky it was only 2

Pressure an official all week and this happens. Daily Record back pages' work

No, me neither - but I was wondering if the Sky comms made a big deal out of it as they certainly would have had the show been on the other foot.

Setting down a marker??? he could have been of the pitch a few minutes later. Taking someone out on (though not hurting them at all) the touchline near the half way line - is setting down a marker that you are a numpty

Was Waghorn really offside after our one good move (well played Hyndman)? Looked onside to me

I've been trying got hold on to that thought for comfort. It hasn't been working very well.