wabashcannonball 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 Or as my Dad used to put it...........THE @RSE FELL OUT THE CHANTY. :devil: I believe the expression is, "Credit were credit is due" no one can dispute that a former successful Rangers manager is due all the credit that he has earned, big Eck has more than earned his spurs. For what it is worth, I believe he is a far better manager than Smith, in man management and tactically, I do not think the KB situation would have ever got to this stage under Alex McLeish. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I believe the expression is, "Credit were credit is due" no one can dispute that a former successful Rangers manager is due all the credit that he has earned, big Eck has more than earned his spurs. For what it is worth, I believe he is a far better manager than Smith, in man management and tactically, I do not think the KB situation would have ever got to this stage under Alex McLeish. I am not so sure. He Ckufed up on the Moore situation. Slagging him off in the press. relieving him of the captaincy and then dropping Khizanishvili who was playing well at the time to play Moore for a Euro game. That turned me against him. He should have kept his mouth shut if he was going to reinstate Moore directly to the team. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 So a manager who averaged about 10 points per season less than Celtic is better than one who averages about 3 more than Celtic in his second spell? A manager who has two barren seasons is better than one who has had none in his second spell? A manager who averaged one trophy per full season is better than one who averages two? A manager whose worst finish is 3rd and 19 points behind is better than one whose worst finish is 3 points behind in second place and with pretty significant mitigating circumstances? Tell me where the logic is? I always said that Eck came to Rangers too soon, he still had too much too learn and Rangers is not a club to be so far down the learning curve. He is becoming a better manager year by year but has still to show he is a winner down south. Half a season in the Premiership where he's in 8th is pretty inconclusive at the moment. I really want him to do well but I have no regrets in the slightest about his departure from Rangers. He was too inexperienced, too naive and too unable to cope with the pressure at the time. I can't imagine why anyone else would prefer him to Walter. Where is the latter's really bad season where he actually deserves to be sacked? He hasn't had one since coming back and Eck had two in four full seasons. I like Eck but can't understand the strange fantasy thinking where we would actually get misty eyed about him and regret sacking him. I really don't get where managers who ulitmately fail at Ibrox like Eck and PLG are lionised, whereas a manager who does a pretty passable job consistently is vilified. Next there will be calls to bring John Greig back... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcannonball 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 Since you like stats so much, check them out, Big Ecks stats are better than WS's at both Scotland and Rangers...but stats and damned lies you know the rest. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Ally 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Since you like stats so much, check them out, Big Ecks stats are better than WS's at both Scotland and Rangers...but stats and damned lies you know the rest. Are you being selective with these stats? As surely trophies won is the statistic that matters and Eck certainly does not surpass Smith here. Eck was a good manager for us over the piece, with an horrific season that led to his sacking. But you're a piss poor fisherman and wind up merchant. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcannonball 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 I am never selective, but always objective. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcannonball 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 I am never selective, but always objective. http://wapedia.mobi/en/Walter_Smith_%28footballer%29#4. http://wapedia.mobi/en/Alex_McLeish#4. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I think it's pretty obvious that had Eck or PLG acheived results like Walter has in his second spell, they wouldn't have been sacked. Conversely had Walter had any of the three disaster seasons of those two he would have been sacked. I don't know how you're interpreting the stats but it's obviously not objectively. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcannonball 0 Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 I am just a simple soul, AM 70% WS 40%, so AM wins the Scotland stats....AM 65.95% WS over his two periods averaged 63.25% at Rangers even his best 65.52% was less than AM's best. You pays your money you takes your pick. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,329 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 League titles with Rangers: Walter 7 out of 9 (and was cheated out of his 8th) Alex 2 out of 4. Nuff said. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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