bossy 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Of course, after Hillsborough, the Andrew Mitchell case and multiple other cases, the veracity of anything the police say has to be taken with a generous pinch of salt. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,198 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Of course, after Hillsborough, the Andrew Mitchell case and multiple other cases, the veracity of anything the police say has to be taken with a generous pinch of salt. More so than the punter on the street trying to defend their own actions ? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,050 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 In general that is true with ordinary horses,but police horses should not get spooked by a drum they are trained to operate under riot situations without getting spooked And no Police horse ever gets spooked eh? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergatrude 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I'd say the whole sorry saga would have been avoided by a bit of common sense from both sides. If a police officer tells you to shut up then you shut the fuck up. If you chose to ignore him then you will be arrested, that is common sense. If you see a person being arrested and you try to defend them then you will also be arrested, that is common sense. The vast police presence, particularly in BF1 is intimidating. Intimidation + crowds, especially passionate crowds, causes tension. Add a red card & a jobsworth or alcohol into the mix and you have a recipe for disaster, that is common sense. The police need to relax a little, but we also have to stop thinking we are above the law. There must be a common ground and the supporters groups and police need to find this or it will only get worse. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossy 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I'd say the whole sorry saga would have been avoided by a bit of common sense from both sides. If a police officer tells you to shut up then you shut the fuck up. If you chose to ignore him then you will be arrested, that is common sense. If you see a person being arrested and you try to defend them then you will also be arrested, that is common sense. The vast police presence, particularly in BF1 is intimidating. Intimidation + crowds, especially passionate crowds, causes tension. Add a red card & a jobsworth or alcohol into the mix and you have a recipe for disaster, that is common sense. The police need to relax a little, but we also have to stop thinking we are above the law. There must be a common ground and the supporters groups and police need to find this or it will only get worse. As do the police. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Ally 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I'd say the whole sorry saga would have been avoided by a bit of common sense from both sides. If a police officer tells you to shut up then you shut the fuck up. If you chose to ignore him then you will be arrested, that is common sense. If you see a person being arrested and you try to defend them then you will also be arrested, that is common sense. Why should that be the case though? more so the first one about being told to shut the fuck up. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergatrude 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Why should that be the case though? more so the first one about being told to shut the fuck up. Because at the end of the day they are in charge. As long as the OBB is in place we don't have a leg to stand on. When you don't do as you are told then you should be prepared to be arrested. I'm not saying it is right at all, I'm saying it is what will happen. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergatrude 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 As do the police. Yep, as I said there has to be a compromise. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the OBB gives them the same kind of authority as the terror act gives the American pd for terrorist suspects in terms of the fact no evidence, or very little little evidence, is required to eject or ban a person from a football ground. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza_8 233 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Why should that be the case though? more so the first one about being told to shut the fuck up. Speak how you wish to be spoken too. If the fan said that to the cop then I don't see any problem with the cop speaking like that back to the fan. That goes for the cop too. We'll never know the full story but some will know more than others. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango 0 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 And no Police horse ever gets spooked eh? If a police horse can be spooked by a loud bang it should not be on the street.At the end of the game children walk past these horses outside the subway,if a horse gets spooked for any reason and kicks out killing a child ,who is responsible ? Police horses are not meant to get spooked even under the sound of gunfire 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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