The Real PapaBear 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I dont think thats wholly accurate RPB - more of a myth if these stats are correct. There is no reason to believe these stats when we have a far more accurate breakdown of the vote here: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Scotland-Post-Referendum-poll-Full-tables-1409191.pdf As I said the population of Scotland under 55 voted Yes by quite some margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real PapaBear 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This is a hell of a dangerous route trying to devalue the validity of a vote because of a certain grouping of the voters. you seem to have decided that oldies are to blame.. So they dont matter any more? Why not remove the validity of the unemployed cos they contribute nothing in terms of taxes, growth etc? Housewives.. Why should they vote when they dont work. Absolutely ridiculous examples, along with the age issue you raise. behave yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real PapaBear 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Using her logic, what does that make a Scottish 55% NO vote? A temporary reprieve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildy 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 A temporary reprieve The future will be what the future will be but you seem reluctant, unable or unwilling to see the referendum vote for what it is. It was a decisive win for the Unionist side. This is the sovereign will of the Scottish people. Are you saying that it is not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real PapaBear 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The future will be what the future will be but you seem reluctant, unable or unwilling to see the referendum vote for what it is. It was a decisive win for the Unionist side. This is the sovereign will of the Scottish people. Are you saying that it is not? Well, given that 25% of the No vote was predicated on the panicked promises of the last week, let's wait and see whether those promises are delivered before we decide on what is or isn't the sovereign will. Once Westminster renages on the promises made, your 55% may get a whole lot smaller quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmu 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 behave yourself Behave yourself?? You seem to be the one dismissing the older voters right! Or is that not what you are saying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildy 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Well, given that 25% of the No vote was predicated on the panicked promises of the last week, let's wait and see whether those promises are delivered before we decide on what is or isn't the sovereign will. Once Westminster renages on the promises made, your 55% may get a whole lot smaller quickly. Ifs and buts. What is the sovereign will of the Scottish people? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmu 0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Well, given that 25% of the No vote was predicated on the panicked promises of the last week, let's wait and see whether those promises are delivered before we decide on what is or isn't the sovereign will. Once Westminster renages on the promises made, your 55% may get a whole lot smaller quickly. That 25% figure is just stupid, yet you trot it out as fact. The supposed last week panic in the no camp was based on polls showing 51 -49 to the yes. If 25% only voted no because of that last week promise the final result would have been an embarraasment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker 857 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Well, given that 25% of the No vote was predicated on the panicked promises of the last week, let's wait and see whether those promises are delivered before we decide on what is or isn't the sovereign will. Once Westminster renages on the promises made, your 55% may get a whole lot smaller quickly. It must be as obvious to the politicians in Westminster as it is to you that if they don't follow through on their promises they'll be heading towards further discontent and another referendum. What they need to do is address the real concern behind the referendum - that the UK system of government is long overdue an update. It needs to be modernised, less centralised, and accessible to all. It's not a question of Scotland versus the rest - there's a common desire for change across the UK. If they take heed of this it'll be a better place to live for all 63 million of us. If they make the right changes - ones that result in more prosperity and equality - then the desire for independence will fall away. Edited September 23, 2014 by Thinker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 4,808 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Under 38% of those eligible voted for independence, and T4C points out, many did so for reasons other than nationalism, so there's no guarantee that they would vote like that if they are ever given another chance. To give balance to what I said, the same applies for the No vote / Unionism. ie. What is important to the majority are other issues that directly effect their standard of living and sense of well-being. This is where surely 'the majority' would concurr and instead of creating an intransigent divide (which benefits Political Westminster) come together where there is common ground. It won't happen immediately but look to heal rifts and not further divide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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