Parity.

[buster. 4,808]

That is exactly my point. I have no problem with the Kazim reaction but referee's have to be consistent on these kind of things. You can't have players getting a yellow\red card for a celebration in the middle of the park and accept the Celtic celebration.

 

Fair enough, but the problem goes beyond referees.

 

It's about the actual regulations, the culture and media attention surrounding matters and the near impossibility of consistency within such a subjective call by different individuals in different circumstances as they see them in a particular moment.

 

It shouldn't be about different sets of supporters effectively shouting "Miss, Miss look what Billy has done" and until supporters recognise that they are collectively self-harming regards freedoms and the match-day experience, the pathetic side show will rumble on.

 

Regards the use of the 'in danger of causing a riot' clause being used to justify punishments....I think it's abused and officials/match delgates should be advised that it shouldn't be used unless there is a real danger of one, eg. what a large group of Motherwell fans did at the second play-off game, facing-up and goading the Rangers support could IMO be said to qualify.

 

The Haliday gesture (celebration), Mixu (picture above) etc. are part of the game and should be accepted as such.

[buster. 4,808]

Make no mistake, this and similar stuff will happen next month should a late winner be scored or the like. Not to mention th typical maniac-like behaviour from Brown and Co., should they score. And it will take a strong refereeing quartet on the day ... which we do not have in Scotland. Perhaps they import a few EPL folk?

 

For authorities and governing bodies to try and sanitise this game and to actively look to stamp out and prevent what is natural won't work and will only produce the inevitable outcry for the media to run with for X or XX amount of days post-match.

 

It is what it is.

Control the segregation but don't waste time and resources looking for subjective 'hate crimes' when the reallity is that hate exists, sticks and stones break bones and very, very few actually take offence to the lyrics of songs. They may not like them but they actually want to hear them so as they can try and get the 'other side' done.

[MacK1950 2,250]

All I can say is the Stewards and Police are responsible for any incursion, as the pitch and surrounds are for players and officials, any fan coming into that area,except in emergency,is committing a "breach of the peace" and should be dealt with as such.

[craig 5,199]

Remember the amnesia the Scottish authorities have to this day when it comes to what happened at the Motherwell game last season. Or has 'Well been fined for what happened?

 

In this case, of course, no Scum player was looking for a riot or "could reasonably have caused" a riot as he was "only celebrating" with his own fans. Simples. (At least when it comes to the authorities explaining why no action is needed.)

 

Motherwell have been reprimanded for that incident. Though I think the punishment was weak and possibly even suspended.

[der Berliner 3,290]

All I can say is the Stewards and Police are responsible for any incursion, as the pitch and surrounds are for players and officials, any fan coming into that area,except in emergency,is committing a "breach of the peace" and should be dealt with as such.

 

Try to check how many stewards are about, same with police. If such an instance occurs and a player runs to the touchline (etc.), there's approx. 2 stewards and 2 policeman facing a gang of 10 to 200+ fans storming forward. What you can do is spray any offender with food colour and take them all in when they try to leave the ground, and have a few good video cams handy. If a steward or policeman tries too much on the spot, you can pray for their health. Try to imagine being in their position and then speak about responsibilities. (No question directed at you MacK, just saying.) Alternatively, they can have fences and ditches and whatnot like everywhere else in Europe.

Edited March 21, 2016 by der Berliner

[Tannochsidebear 2,321]

Our over the top policing, stewarding, refereeing and compliance officer punishments are making football less and less attractive for paying punters, sponsors, tv companies & their subscribers.

 

Compare and contrast the Halliday sending off with much more aggressive celebratory antics from the likes of Mixu and the bheasts, and then compare the antics that goes on at a lot of rugby matches where punch-ups, gouging, and all sorts of assaults are never brought to the attention of the authorities outwith the egg-chasers. Ice-hockey I understand virtually encourages players to throw off the gloves and helmets and have a fight in the middle of the rink, without fear of arrest. Where are the political summits here? Why is booze outlawed at football but encouraged at Rugby & Ice Hockey?

 

Our national sport is being overrun by the politically correct and bigoted so-called fans going out of their way to be offended by anything their rivals do/say/sing. The sooner some sanity is brought in and politicians but out we may just be able to sell the game to the next generation, but the way it is going we have no chance. They might as well follow egg-chasing.

[barca72 440]

Motherwell have been reprimanded for that incident. Though I think the punishment was weak and possibly even suspended.

 

 

Motherwell to bin end-of-season pitch invasion

By KENNY MacDONALD

01:48, 9 Feb 2016

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/6918024/Motherwell-to-bin-end-of-season-pitch-invasion.html

 

 

MOTHERWELL are to bin their fans’ traditional end-of-season pitch invasion — after the SPFL put them on probation.

 

The Fir Park side were punished after their fans ran onto the park following last May’s Premiership play-off win over Rangers.

 

Gers defender Bilel Mohsni and Well striker Lee Erwin were involved in an ugly clash after the final whistle following the home side’s 6-1 aggregate win.

 

 

31/05/15 Motherwellv Rangers Pix by Keith Campbell.a stand off between motherwell and rangers fans

 

Motherwell fans taunt Gers supporters in the away end after play-off final win © Keith Campbell

 

Now Motherwell have been put on probation for 18 months after they were found to have failed to adhere to security guidelines during and after the game.

 

They were also criticised over inadequate stewarding which allowed home punters to taunt Gers fans from the pitch.

 

But as long as there is no repeat of the misbehaviour over the next 18 months, the Fir Park side will escape punishment.

 

An SPFL statement said: “Motherwell were found by an SPFL Commission to have breached rules regarding unacceptable conduct.”

 

SunSport understands the club pleaded their case strongly to the SPFL Commission.

 

They pointed out that fans invading the pitch has been a peaceful Fir Park event at the final home game of the season for 15 years.

 

However the SPFL want Well to identify fans who were guilty of bad behaviour by April and explain what steps they have taken against those supporters.

 

Motherwell also have to give the SPFL a written undertaking to tighten up their allocation and ticketing policies within the next 28 days. That comes after the SPFL criticised their poor arrangements for ticketing sales and segregation.

 

Well also copped it after a flare thrown from the main stand was dealt with ‘inappropriately and in an unsafe manner by a club employee who had not been adequately trained’.

 

The SPFL statement continued: “Motherwell FC has yet to demonstrate sufficient action being taken by it to identify those of its supporters who engaged in unaccept-able conduct at the match and has failed to demonstrate any action being taken against those supporters who have been so identified.

 

“They are expected to provide the Commission with a final written report on the measures taken to prevent ‘last home match pitch incursions’ at Fir Park one month prior to the expiry of the 18- month deferral period.

 

“At the end of that period the Commission will make its final decision on sanction.

“It is reasonable to expect that one of the factors the Commission will take into account at that stage is the compliance by Motherwell FC with the various matters the Commission has raised.”

Edited March 21, 2016 by barca72

[barca72 440]

Fair enough, but the problem goes beyond referees.

 

It's about the actual regulations, the culture and media attention surrounding matters and the near impossibility of consistency within such a subjective call by different individuals in different circumstances as they see them in a particular moment.

 

It shouldn't be about different sets of supporters effectively shouting "Miss, Miss look what Billy has done" and until supporters recognise that they are collectively self-harming regards freedoms and the match-day experience, the pathetic side show will rumble on.

 

Regards the use of the 'in danger of causing a riot' clause being used to justify punishments....I think it's abused and officials/match delgates should be advised that it shouldn't be used unless there is a real danger of one, eg. what a large group of Motherwell fans did at the second play-off game, facing-up and goading the Rangers support could IMO be said to qualify.

 

The Haliday gesture (celebration), Mixu (picture above) etc. are part of the game and should be accepted as such.

 

 

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/sport/football/dundee-united/notice-of-complaint-leaves-mixu-paatelainen-under-threat-of-missing-semi-final-1.930689

 

Notice of complaint leaves Mixu Paatelainen under threat of missing semi-final

 

By Ian Roache, 24 March 2016 5.28pm.

 

Dundee United manager Mixu Paatelainen could be banned from the dugout when his players take on Hibs in the William Hill Scottish Cup semi-final at Hampden.

 

 

The Finn has been issued with a notice of complaint by the SFA following his touchline exchanges with Dundee fans at the city derby last Sunday at Tannadice.

 

The Tangerines’ boss has been charged thus: “In that on or around the 91st minute you committed misconduct by shouting and gesticulating at away supporters.”

 

His hearing date has been set for Wednesday, April 13, which is just three days before United will fight it out with the Hibees for a place in the final against either Rangers or Celtic.

 

Should the decision result in a touchline ban then he will have to watch his team from the stand.

 

Paatelainen has not been offered a fixed suspension and has until next Friday, April 1, to respond to the notice of complaint.

[MacK1950 2,250]

Not a fan of Mixu and definitely not the Arabs but have always felt that punishment should be served in the competition the offence took place in and not in another.

What bemuses me is the fact that as the home team the Arabs had the away support behind the home dugout:nuts: