Mad Joe

[pete 2,499]

Joe O Rourke

 

 

A wise man once said to me, “Your only beat when you quit trying” well I’m not of a mind to quit just now. We really need a surge in support from all the honest teams in Scotland for an independent review. There may well be a lot of support out there, I actually believe there is. The problem is the “Silent majority” we need to stand up and shout that we want justice, it’s not good enough to talk amongst your mates in the pub. Get organised.

 

Mr Regan, Mr Doncaster,

This is probably your last chance for both of you to gain any credibility with the majority of football supporters in Scotland, and I say that because today is the AGM of the SPFL, therefore all the leaders of the professional football clubs in Scotland will be present.

 

Although the SPFL have not stated categorically that they won’t have a review after the Supreme Court decision in favour of HMRC against Rangers 1872 with regards to tax evasion schemes. I believe the comments attributed to outgoing President Ralph Topping make it clear that they agree with the statement from the SFA.

 

You can both peddle the myth that you are acting on the advice of a senior QC, but nobody outside of your inner circle is buying that one. The majority of football supporters in Scotland want change, if you don’t give them that then they will have no other option than to force change, that will not be good for your positions.

 

You can dress up the DOS/EBT schemes any way you want, but you cannot deny that a sporting advantage was gained, and therefore Cheating was taking place. We have all heard the argument about making no difference to the 22 players on the park if one set was paying their dues and the other set were not.

 

The whole point of the matter is this, could Rangers 1872 have signed the players they did if they had been forced to pay Tax and National Insurance on the player’s contract? The answer to that question is a straight No, as confirmed by David Murray under oath at the High Court, and by Alex Mc Leish in an interview.

 

There has been plenty of occasions in the past when clubs have forfeited matches because one or more of their players were ineligible for one reason or another. What would happen if for instance it was now discovered that Joe Miller was not properly registered for the Scottish Cup Final of 1989, would you order a replay? Or would Celtic be deemed to have broken the rules and therefore a 3-0 defeat declared?

 

The supporters of Scottish Football are calling for change, they are demanding change. I will be meeting with representatives of all the other honest teams in Scotland tomorrow morning, we will be looking at ways of forcing that change.

 

We have been asking for years for transparency, it has been denied, we have been asking for accountability, it has been denied, we have been asking for honesty and integrity, it has been denied. We are no longer asking, we are now Demanding !!!!!!!

 

I understand that COE’s and Chairmen have clubs to run and books to balance, but if all the basic principles can be bought or denied through bullying, then we can close up shop now and go home and start to watch cricket or rugby, the game in Scotland is finished.

 

Have you asked for the opinions of the most important people, the supporters? Can any club leader outside of Peter Lawwell state that he or she is acting in line with the wishes of the supporters of their team? I and many others are demanding that our opinions are heard, it’s time for you to deliver and give football back to the supporters.

 

There was a massive furore within World Football when all the Cheating at FIFA was exposed, well the biggest Cheating Scandal to engulf Scottish Football has recently been confirmed, there will be a massive outcry in Scotland if it is not dealt with justly.

 

The Eyes of Scottish Football is watching and waiting on your response. An independent judicial review is needed to cleanse Scottish Football. This could well be your last chance to act honourably. If you are not part of the Solution, you are part of the Problem.

 

Joe O’Rourke,

General Secretary,

Celtic Supporters Association.

 

Normally I wouldn't post things from this person (I held myself in) but this is obviously Rangers related.

[Crimson Dynamo 128]

They wanted an independent commission, they got an independent commission.

 

The commission ruled it was an admin error by Rangers pure and simple and they subsequently fined us for it.

 

They got their transparency, accountability, honesty and integrity. So much so the LNS commission released the steps taken to reach the decision they made. Yet this still isn't good enough.

 

It simply goes back to that age old saying about Celtic and its fans always cheated, never beaten.

[Waltersgotstyle 297]

I fear that like HMRC - they will continue to push this agenda until they get the result they want.

[Bearman 9]

Got to laugh at the plea "support from all the honest teams in Scotland" - Those cnts are the most dishonest bunch on the planet!!!

 

I believe Joe O’Rourke smokes dope and mingles with the Groin Brigade.

[pete 2,499]

I fear that like HMRC - they will continue to push this agenda until they get the result they want.

 

Clubs fell into the Celtic blabber trap once and it nearly ruined Scottish football. I doubt they will do it again. After Wednesday this is a goner.

[JohnMc 2,473]

I haven't noticed them reported on here but the comments from Stewart Milne of Aberdeen over the weekend were very informative. To paraphrase he said 'enough is enough, time to move one' and if the the owner of Aberdeen, Celtic's pet since our demotion, is saying that publicly knowing it'll anger a section of his own support, then I think that's a fairly good indicator of the mood in the boardrooms of Scottish football clubs.

 

With Dundee Utd on their knees and out of the top league and Hearts being run by someone fairly sensible now I'm not sure Celtic have many allies left in the self-harm club. indeed I'm not convinced their's much appetite to go through this all again in the Celtic boardroom, they need to be seen by their own support to be making noises but I can't see them doing much else. Hopefully, within a few months, everyone will be talking about something else.

[Frankie 8,151]

Not with the way BBC Scotland are covering it.

[StuGers 477]

Not with the way BBC Scotland are covering it.

 

Agreed. But this is the BBC who are known for their loose reporting of facts

 

I'd like to see a #changetherecord type campaign against the BBC to be honest.

[JohnMc 2,473]

Not with the way BBC Scotland are covering it.

 

You might be right, but I've a feeling when the league starts and there is actually football to speak about again this will slip down the agenda. Milne is clearly in the know and a fairly influential voice around the Scottish football table and for him to publicly state "we cannot spend another five years looking back and trying to redo what has taken place" suggests, very strongly, there's no appetite for it.

 

In the meantime airtime needs filled and column inches written, there are few signings to get excited about and no real matches for a couple more weeks so I expect lots more talk and 'analysis' but no action. But I could be wrong.

[Frankie 8,151]

I appreciate that John, and the story will hopefully die a death after tomorrow but, in the meantime, this is another example of why we cannot trust BBC Scotland to be impartial.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Frankie