26th of foot 5,859 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 30 minutes ago, BEARGER said: Some of these old books leave a lot to be desired, no proper research done e.g John Allan. I would go with the Gallant Pioneers/Founders Trail guys, they have actually done detailed research. They have not mentioned this game to my knowledge? Robert McElroy's Rangers Historian ran for 25 years, It was a magazine format with over 100 editions. Reference John Allan, he was commissioned to pen the first half of Rangers existence. Allan was more a statistician than a historian, the fly leaf pull out(the Story of the Rangers - Fifty years of football 1873-1923) containing all Rangers competitive results during that period is invaluable. There's the problem with Allan right there, he was late in finishing the book, thus changed our date of founding from 1872 to 1873 to suit his preferred title. Further, he spun a tale of lusty lads and derring do. A lot happened from February 1872 and Allan ignored it because it was inconvenient. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,290 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Aren't there Excel files out and about with all games and players? Tried to open it every now and then, but it usually takes ages or does not open at all ... probably due to the amount of tables/data put into one file. EDIT one 126MB and another 105MB Excel file. 1872 till 2016 Edited September 18, 2018 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,829 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, der Berliner said: Aren't there Excel files out and about with all games and players? Tried to open it every now and then, but it usually takes ages or does not open at all ... probably due to the amount of tables/data put into one file. EDIT one 126MB and another 105MB Excel file. 1872 till 2016 I have a copy of the Excel files, not been updated since 2012. If memory serves me right I think its the work of a FF poster (HWNN?). Now it gets interesting, this from the files: "Against Celtic In some early day matches (like the 9-1 defeat of the Tims) it was our 2nd team (The Swifts) that played - but they're included because by most accounts our 2nd team were better than the first - and attracted bigger crowds too! Friendly 1888 Present 1888-89 Aug 11 Sat a Celtic 9 1 Unknown (9). Unknown. Southern League - Division A 1940-41 1946-47 1942-43 Jan 1 Fri H Celtic 8 1 30,000 Gillick (3). W Waddell (2). G Young (2, 1 pen). J Duncanson. Duncan. McDonald (Celtic) Lynch (Celtic) Our 1st team beat Celtic 8-1 in January 1943 (in the League) - so even if you exclude the 'Swifts' result (against what surely must've been their first X1 - they were 'founded' that year) that's the record result between our clubs! Don't let Celtic fans dissuade you of that fact - in the vast majority of Celtic books they include 'their' Goalscorers records from WW2 (only real difference from WW1 was their was crowd limits due to the German bombing!". But as I have already said on the same day Celtic gubbed Airdrie 8-0. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,356 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Yeah, The Horse with No Name's spreadsheet has us playing Celtic on 11 August 1888 at the "first Celtic Park" with us winning 9-1. No other details, including players or scorers were known (I think that's what Bearger is trying to say but the formatting is screwed up). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post barca72 440 Posted September 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2018 10 hours ago, JohnMc said: Pesky facts. Let's promote this new version of the truth, we live in post truth times, embrace it gentlemen. Tiarna Elizabeth Baughan September 13 at 1:11 AM According to a 19th century legend, the Truth and the Lie meet one day. The Lie says to the Truth: "It's a marvellous day today"! The Truth looks up to the skies and sighs, for the day was really beautiful. They spend a lot of time together, ultimately arriving beside a well. The Lie tells the Truth: "The water is very nice, let's take a bath together!" The Truth, once again suspicious, tests the water and discovers that it indeed is very nice. They undress and start bathing. Suddenly, the Lie comes out of the water, puts on the clothes of the Truth and runs away. The furious Truth comes out of the well and runs everywhere to find the Lie and to get her clothes back. The World, seeing the Truth naked, turns its gaze away, with contempt and rage.The poor Truth returns to the well and disappears forever, hiding therein, its shame. Since then, the Lie travels around the world, dressed as the Truth, satisfying the needs of society, because, the World, in any case, harbours no wish at all to meet the naked Truth. The world famous painting- "The Truth coming out of the well" Jean-Léon Gérôme, 1896. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Can someone make a photoshop of the lie in a Celtic shirt.? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca72 440 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, pete said: Can someone make a photoshop of the lie in a Celtic shirt.? Would break my camera. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26th of foot 5,859 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, pete said: Can someone make a photoshop of the lie in a Celtic shirt.? The net is full of pictures of Angela Haggerty. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26th of foot said: The net is full of pictures of Angela Haggerty. On retrospect I have a lot of trouble believing the truth ever walked in a Celtic shirt. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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