ranger_syntax 3,775 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 14 hours ago, buster. said: The underlying elephant in the room is Financial. Thing is, we haven't done too badly. The tendency is numbers that are improving but what it always comes down to is the comparison with accross[sic] the city......and we are way behind. You say 'way behind' but how far behind are we really? Can you post the numbers that you are referring to? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 4,808 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 On 04/03/2023 at 23:05, ranger_syntax said: You say 'way behind' but how far behind are we really? Can you post the numbers that you are referring to? Go have a look at the accounts since the start of this century. They are well run. We have made strides but still can't get anywhere close. Just as you think we are close, another issue crops up and we fall down a snake (and ladders). Over the last few decades, we are a club that has developed the bad habit of not being able to operate within our own means. They have. That is the base of the problem. Our day to day management (to placate the support) isn't coherent, it is all over the place. Our finances are improving but as always, it comes down to the comparison with Celtic, rather than looking at the numbers by themselves. They had a dominant figure in charge for most of this century (Lawwell), he imposed his will (often to the dislike of their support) but he relentlessly pushed a culture that prioritised the bottom line and they put in place a steady and sound business model that works and is way ahead of where we are. Stick your head in the sand by all means but that is where Scottish football currently is. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,775 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 hours ago, buster. said: Go have a look at the accounts since the start of this century. They are well run. We have made strides but still can't get anywhere close. Just as you think we are close, another issue crops up and we fall down a snake (and ladders). Over the last few decades, we are a club that has developed the bad habit of not being able to operate within our own means. They have. That is the base of the problem. Our day to day management (to placate the support) isn't coherent, it is all over the place. Our finances are improving but as always, it comes down to the comparison with Celtic, rather than looking at the numbers by themselves. They had a dominant figure in charge for most of this century (Lawwell), he imposed his will (often to the dislike of their support) but he relentlessly pushed a culture that prioritised the bottom line and they put in place a steady and sound business model that works and is way ahead of where we are. Stick your head in the sand by all means but that is where Scottish football currently is. Post numbers. Post numbers. Post numbers. Post numbers. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,775 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Anybody else think that it is insufferable to complain about an elephant in the room and then avoid discussing the details? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said: Post numbers. Post numbers. Post numbers. Post numbers. Post your own numbers if you have a point to make 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said: Anybody else think that it is insufferable to complain about an elephant in the room and then avoid discussing the details? I often think you're insufferable. Does that count? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,173 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said: Post numbers iterum buster suggests you look for yourself. Always better to go to the source. Avoids analytical contamination. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,639 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 That lot have a bigger stadium and have been working a fairly successful player trading model for over a decade. It stands to reason that their finances will be in better shape than ours. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,775 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: That lot have a bigger stadium and have been working a fairly successful player trading model for over a decade. It stands to reason that their finances will be in better shape than ours. No doubt. But is there a significant gap? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,775 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott7 said: buster suggests you look for yourself. Always better to go to the source. Avoids analytical contamination. Buster is the source of his own argument. I can't exactly consult google about what he is basing his argument on. Why does he keep it such a secret instead of just telling us? I didn't need to read any more of his boilerplate waffle about Lawwell et cetera. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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