Frankie 8,187 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 gentlemen, please refrain from: a) Unacceptable abuse b) Hijacking what should have still been an interesting thread despite my post Now, why not use the thread to air your grievances and, even better, offer solutions to address them? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisabeer 409 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 We have to be careful and dont do a hearts and end up with a Romanov. I think Murray for all his failings will make sure that doesnt happen. our main problem is walter Smith. his knee jerk reaction with fleck being included in future games just goes to show how bad a manager he is. That is who we should be targeting. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barr 0 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 gentlemen, please refrain from: a) Unacceptable abuse b) Hijacking what should have still been an interesting thread despite my post Now, why not use the thread to air your grievances and, even better, offer solutions to address them? Thank you for the good sense to bring back some sanity to this thread Frankie. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 IMO the only way change will happen(apart from Murray selling)is because of events on the park, not off it. The majority of Supporters showing their disapproval, and for that to happen I reckon Rangers will have to fall a lot further than we have up to now. Let me say I want Rangers to win the league. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,187 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 IMO the only way change will happen(apart from Murray selling)is because of events on the park, not off it. The majority of Supporters showing their disapproval, and for that to happen I reckon Rangers will have to fall a lot further than we have up to now. Let me say I want Rangers to win the league. Agree completely with that. Doesn't mean we shoudln't be preparing for this in the background. Problem is just how far will the club be allowed to fall before the majority show their concern. People just disappeared in the early 80s. Hopefully something can ensure that dosn't happen again. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Agree completely with that. Doesn't mean we shoudln't be preparing for this in the background. Problem is just how far will the club be allowed to fall before the majority show their concern. People just disappeared in the early 80s. Hopefully something can ensure that dosn't happen again. Perhaps the downturn in ST sales would bring home to DM, the unrest among Supporters, more than protests and initiatives. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 We have to be careful and dont do a hearts and end up with a Romanov. I think Murray for all his failings will make sure that doesnt happen. our main problem is walter Smith. his knee jerk reaction with fleck being included in future games just goes to show how bad a manager he is. That is who we should be targeting. I still don't understand how it is possible that "we" can be careful about who we end up with, when "we" have absolutely no possible role in the selection. We might be able to influence Murray's willingness to sell but never who he sells to. Since you have faith in Murray to get that right, there is obviously nothing to worry about. Our main problem is not Walter Smith, it has to be the guy who brought a dinosaur like Walter back to the club. Responsibility lies where the buck stops and that certainly isn't Walter Smith. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,366 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I still don't understand how it is possible that "we" can be careful about who we end up with, when "we" have absolutely no possible role in the selection. We might be able to influence Murray's willingness to sell but never who he sells to. Since you have faith in Murray to get that right, there is obviously nothing to worry about. Our main problem is not Walter Smith, it has to be the guy who brought a dinosaur like Walter back to the club. Responsibility lies where the buck stops and that certainly isn't Walter Smith. But by influencing Murray's willingness to sell we could have an impact on the appropriateness of who his replacement is. If he gets so pissed off with the support that he sells to the first guy who walks round the corner with plans to finance his purchase by selling of Murray Park and worries about everything else later then we are no better off than we are now (and potentially worse off). 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,366 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Going back to JB's original post, I want Murray to be replaced by someone better than him, but not by someone worse. A bland Murray Out slogan isn't constructive and isn't offering a solution. However we desperately need something to hang our hats on as Murray's financial mismanagement of the club is just repeating what happened from 2000-2004 and there is absolutely no medium term financial planning, and it's frightening. Hopefully something will emerge sooner rather than later. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisabeer 409 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I still don't understand how it is possible that "we" can be careful about who we end up with, when "we" have absolutely no possible role in the selection. We might be able to influence Murray's willingness to sell but never who he sells to. Since you have faith in Murray to get that right, there is obviously nothing to worry about. Our main problem is not Walter Smith, it has to be the guy who brought a dinosaur like Walter back to the club. Responsibility lies where the buck stops and that certainly isn't Walter Smith. We have two problems. One is the chairman and the other is the the manager. The current mess has been caused by the managers wayward spending and poor choice of purchases. we now find ourselves in the position where we have a shitload of mediocre players that no one wants. But we are being sidetracked by the murray issue which is confusing the situation even more. As for who replaces him, murray is and has been selective to who takes over. you cant fault for that, infact i applaud him for it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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